Jay-Z is 1%, Not Hiphop

[No1]

but do those ends justify those deceptive means?

it seems it's hard to 'fix' a problem think when you're (rhetorical, not you) in denial of the problem existing. this seems to be the cause of a lot of problems. many people saw the 'housing crisis' coming, but no one wanted to listen to them because they were making money and thought it was 'all good'. then the shyt hits the fan, and everyone's like "omg, how did this happen?!?!?"

I'm not claiming to have the answers or that any of this is some kind of simple fix

To be honest, I just don't know if it makes a difference. You would think the broader scope of middle class would create a larger coalition right?

 

[88m3]

Look bro, you've been trying to sideways come at me since the inception of this board. No idea why.

You're a smart guy. Just pushing you out of your comfort zone and having you take a look at the issues. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[No1]

It's not like I'm in college still and living that life. That's all I'm saying.

You're taking this personally.

Cool. :yeah: But no I'm not taking this personally, the numbers I gave you, I wasn't even aware of until about two months ago. I knew my family was oscillating between middle class and working poor growing up. It's just that I try not to see things in those terms because even then I know that circle is limited. My passion comes from that upbringing, but my perspective is larger than that now. I don't think it's a bad thing breh.

 

[Serious]

Damn 88m3 straight killed this thread...

Income inequality is a very complex topic.
@BarNone, come on bro, there's no way you can possibly justify 91% of Americans are considering themselves middle class, without going about using some sort of shred logic.

Respectively a middle house income should be equivalent to 120k-165k.

For example: in a male and female household = 50k + 80k = 130k easily

This isn't uncommon, where I live ^^

Technically, a household can function off 50-60k, but that's still roughly a take squeeze, especially when kids start to enter the picture...

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

Is Jay-Z in the illuminati?

 

[jadillac]

i havent read the article, but we know Jay Z wasn't always in the 1%....but as with anything, people ride with you when ur broke or regular like them, but then if you make it(and do the same things they'd probably do), they turn on you.

 

[Higher Tech]

Is Jay-Z in the illuminati?

Please stop.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

Please stop.

You don't want me to talk about the illimunati? What's up the one eye and the Antichrist?

 

[No1]

Damn 88m3 straight killed this thread...

Income inequality is a very complex topic.
@BarNone, come on bro, there's no way you can possibly justify 91% of Americans are considering themselves middle class, without going about using some sort of shred logic.

Respectively a middle house income should be equivalent to 120k-165k.

For example: in a male and female household = 50k + 80k = 130k easily

This isn't uncommon, where I live ^^

Technically, a household can function off 50-60k, but that's still roughly a take squeeze, especially when kids start to enter the picture...

So let me get this right. I just want to make sure that this is what is happening.

1) I say that most people perceive themselves as middle class based on a study that shows 91% of people perceive themselves as middle class (either lower, middle or upper). Something I posted last week and no one refuted.

And I quote

A Pew survey in 2008 revealed that 91% believe they are either middle class, upper-middle class or lower-middle class. Relatively few claim to be working class or upper class, intimating more of a cultural aspiration than an economic relationship. Amy Pezzani, the executive director of the Larimer county food bank in Colorado, explained that politicians are reluctant to refer to "the poor" and "poverty" because it turns low-income voters off. "People who find themselves in these situations don't want to consider themselves poor. They're more likely to refer to themselves as the 'struggling middle class'.

2) 88m3 posts some emotion filled replies that do not repute the study, which I was merely paraphrasing. He hits me with ad hominem attacks about how I supposedly don't relate to real people because I quoted a study showing how real people think. He argues with me about nothing, like he always argues with me about nothing.

3) You come in here, someone who studies SCIENCE, and instead of co-signing the guy who is using numbers to support his statement vs. a guy who is blindly screaming that most people aren't middle class and thus 91% can't THINK ....you choose to somehow say the latter is killing it in here. :deadpau:

4) You just posted up numbers calculating why more money is needed to be middle class where you live. Which is again irrelevant to the discussion 88m3 and I were having. Quite frankly, I don't even know what discussion we were having so maybe what you posted was relevant.

5) In summary: In HL, when you state a reality about people's beliefs, despite how wrong those beliefs are, you lose the argument if someone is more emotional than you and ignores that you never disagreed with the notion that people are struggling.


Good to know, breh.

 

[daze23]

does "middle class" have a definition, or is it just something anyone can claim?

 

[No1]

does "middle class" have a definition, or is it just something anyone can claim?

That my friend is the very problem. That is part of why I said we had a class consciousness problem (borrowed from a guardian article).

But the economist defined it as such:

In February 2009, The Economist announced that over half the world's population now belongs to the middle class, as a result of rapid growth in emerging countries. It characterized the middle class as having a reasonable amount of discretionary income, so that they do not live from hand to mouth as the poor do, and defined it as beginning at the point where people have roughly a third of their income left for discretionary spending after paying for basic food and shelter. This allows people to buy consumer goods, improve their health care, and provide for their children's education.

 

[Serious]

Bro I wasn't disputing the stats, I merely asking if you(barnone) believed it was feasible for all 91% of Americans to be considered "middle class".

 

[daze23]

That my friend is the very problem. That is part of why I said we had a class consciousness problem (borrowed from a guardian article).

But the economist defined it as such:

I was looking for something more income based. if nothing else, there's tax brackets