Jay Z had State Property rap every time they seen him and took their rhymes

[nieman]

so he saying Jayz was jacking styles n concepts, was rallying other dudes to fight Nas on his behalf ,
then says Jay better than Nas....

Most of Philly thinks that Jay is the greatest rapper to ever grace the mic. It may be his presence, but I don't know.

But according to Chain Gang, 1-900-HUSTLER was a Free solo track. Give it To Me was Sparks solo, Peedi had some tracks taken, Young Gunz too.

I know more about that Beanie Sigel case, and his music than just about anyone I know lol, whether that's good or bad, but to put a really concise point on it, the man gunned down some random dude outside a strip club over nothing at the height of his career, everything else aside, the drugs, the money, the street shyt, the federal cases, the bad business, just think of it like that, all these years later, and it's really clear, why and how he ended up where he is.

But to play devil's advocate - Snoop, Pac, 50, Gucci, TI, Remy, X, Dirty - that's just off top...were all pretty much the same predicament at one time. And they all recovered to have different levels of success. What's the difference here? The only difference I see is who is backing you and how much you're really worth. Which brings me back to my point, he was never going to be a superstar...outside of hip-hop circles. I think the 50 deal not going through, sealed his fate. With the 50 deal, he still holds on to a rap legend, as opposed to a one-time rapper...that no one knows.

But currently, Mike Knox, Beans, Chris, Quilly have formed a group, and are going to release a project.

 

[NormanConnors]

What does it say/not rocking with Vlad links

 

[NormanConnors]

Wait ....


Didn't O And sparks go with dame when the roc split


Why thry want a convo with Jay


It should be with dame right

Now is futile/too late, but they should have been compensated then.

 

[ajnapoleon]

Now is futile/too late, but they should have been compensated then.

But compensated for what exactly


They said they got paid for the songs and verses


I'm trying to figure out what they want to get paid for


Dame biggs and jay paid them


Back then

I dont get it


But they seem to want to get paid now by one guy and one guy alone


And its not



It makes no sense

 

[madness]

What does it say/not rocking with Vlad links

Bizzy Bone telling of the time he beat Jay in a battle

 

[NormanConnors]

But compensated for what exactly


They said they got paid for the songs and verses


I'm trying to figure out what they want to get paid for


Dame biggs and jay paid them


Back then

I dont get it


But they seem to want to get paid now by one guy and one guy alone


And its not



It makes no sense

It shouldn't be asked publicly, but thats up to Jay if he wants to beak them off though.

Jay brought them into a beef that had nothing to do with them, one where they were front line, loyalty should be accounted for is what O is saying imo. What he's dealing with now in life has nothing to do with Jay but that loyalty card should be able to be cashed in on a likewise. Jay is heavy in the art game, he can easily plug O into the gallery scene and call it day.

As far as them riding for Jay, Its like lending cats money though, before you do it you have to be prepared for the effort to not be reciprocated/or expect a return

 

[ajnapoleon]

It shouldn't be asked publicly, but thats up to Jay if he wants to beak them off though.

Jay brought them into a beef that had nothing to do with them, one where they were front line, loyalty should be accounted for is what O is saying imo. What he's dealing with now in life has nothing to do with Jay but that loyalty card should be able to be cashed in on a likewise. Jay is heavy in the art game, he can easily plug O into the gallery scene and call it day.

As far as them riding for Jay, Its like lending cats money though, before you do it you have to be prepared for the effort to not be reciprocated/or expect a return

that makes no sense

do they owe jay for bringing them all up to hot 97 to spit on flex show where they could curse all they want


jay told flex he will pay FCC a check for all the cussing

what about them being in the first and 2nd state prop movie

how about all the features they got from other artist

how about flying back and forth on the plane

or all the promotion they was getting

modeling for roc a wear

videos they was in


paying for;lawyers

sample clearing



im sure all that was free



and if Jay put him on to the art game and it dont work out


O can say


Jay didnt look out and make sure what i was doing was right he fukked me over

 

[TheDarceKnight]

But compensated for what exactly


They said they got paid for the songs and verses


I'm trying to figure out what they want to get paid for


Dame biggs and jay paid them


Back then

I dont get it


But they seem to want to get paid now by one guy and one guy alone


And its not



It makes no sense

I thought it seemed like O was pressing that angle more than Beans. I see it from you and @NormanConnors angle. O wasn’t explicitly asking to get paid, but I took it as him (in a more animated way) saying it would be cool to get a little plug or something that they could run with. The art gallery thing is a great example. Jay could take 5 minutes and post something saying Oschino has a dope art gallery. Is he obligated to do this? To your point @ajnapoleon , absolutely not. Jay doesn’t owe either one of these guys anything. But I do think it would be dope, especially if these guys have their lives together and aren’t living reckless anymore, for Jay to take 5 minutes to plug O’s art, or take 5 mins to plug something Beans is working on, etc.

Jay’s co-sign can still go a long ways, and unless he has a serious grudge, it’s such little effort for him to do. And O makes very dope art, so it’s not even hyping some bullshyt

He doesn’t have to do it, but everyone is grown and most have matured, and I just think it would be cool to see a little love showed there.

Jay’s my favorite emcee. I’m not hating. And I’m the first to say Jay gave Beans so many more chances than most before cutting ties. But it would make me happy if Jay did it, still.

 

[Polofresh4]

I know more about that Beanie Sigel case, and his music than just about anyone I know lol, whether that's good or bad, but to put a really concise point on it, the man gunned down some random dude outside a strip club over nothing at the height of his career, everything else aside, the drugs, the money, the street shyt, the federal cases, the bad business, just think of it like that, all these years later, and it's really clear, why and how he ended up where he is.

You missed the kicker.....he then released a Green Lantern mixtape, Public Enemy #1, about it with a song called "I shot you"...I can't remember if that was before or during the trial.

I loved that damn tape but anyone saying this ain't Beans fault is looking through rose-colored glasses

 

[ajnapoleon]

I thought it seemed like O was pressing that angle more than Beans. I see it from you and @NormanConnors angle. O wasn’t explicitly asking to get paid, but I took it as him (in a more animated way) saying it would be cool to get a little plug or something that they could run with. The art gallery thing is a great example. Jay could take 5 minutes and post something saying Oschino has a dope art gallery. Is he obligated to do this? To your point @ajnapoleon , absolutely not. Jay doesn’t owe either one of these guys anything. But I do think it would be dope, especially if these guys have their lives together and aren’t living reckless anymore, for Jay to take 5 minutes to plug O’s art, or take 5 mins to plug something Beans is working on, etc.

Jay’s co-sign can still go a long ways, and unless he has a serious grudge, it’s such little effort for him to do. And O makes very dope art, so it’s not even hyping some bullshyt

He doesn’t have to do it, but everyone is grown and most have matured, and I just think it would be cool to see a little love showed there.

Jay’s my favorite emcee. I’m not hating. And I’m the first to say Jay gave Beans so many more chances than most before cutting ties. But it would make me happy if Jay did it, still.

I get it

I kinda have the same personality

I'm a introvert extrovert


I think along the lines if I can stay out of trouble why can't they

And it makes it even worse because they had lots of chances i didn't have


This movement of shytting on someone that helped you before just to say


"All I want is a conversation"

Don't fly with me it makes me not want to deal with you thats female stuff to me


And Jay knows if I did it for O beans gonna feel away

Or his artist gonna feel away


He seems to stay away and let people do what they want


I bet you he sees it as giving himself peace


Can you imagine how much his phone goes off?


I would live my life the same way for my sanity ...back off and let people do what they do so I don't get blamed at the end of the day

 

[Awesome Wells]

Where you hear that? From all accounts, none of that happened. The only thing they said Jay did was show up at court. Jay also did not vouch for him as a character witness, which is why he was sentenced in the first place...and the last straw the shattered their relationship. Dame paid the legal fees, and they've all said they weren't even in contact with Jay during those times, and the only time they saw him was at the trial. Whether or not Jay paid the fees, and that came out later, I never heard anything about that. Then again, 9/10 times, they would've used label money.

Peedi, O/Sparks and Young Guns all had cases during this time, O & Sparks multiple, and more serious. O said that Dame was the one setting him up in apts and paying his legal fees.

I was working there at the time. So I'm only going by what I've seen myself.

O's had a lot of stories. I can't really speak on what he's said. As far as Crakk is concerned, he blew through like a million dollars of the label's money. His budget was probably half of that, and it was all gone before he even got a bulk of his album done. Jay was the one that opened up more funds for him after he lost all of that bread, so that he could go back in and record again. He gave dude like 40-50 grand to cover his sessions. He covered a lot of expenses for Crakk and Beans when they blew their own bread. Those two were seen as the two with the most potential to have viable careers, at the time. Might've been favoritism, but Dame and Jay always looked out for the dudes that seemed to really want to work. Even though, they still did reckless shyt that was holding them back.

 

[Cladyclad]

Where you hear that? From all accounts, none of that happened. The only thing they said Jay did was show up at court. Jay also did not vouch for him as a character witness, which is why he was sentenced in the first place...and the last straw the shattered their relationship. Dame paid the legal fees, and they've all said they weren't even in contact with Jay during those times, and the only time they saw him was at the trial. Whether or not Jay paid the fees, and that came out later, I never heard anything about that. Then again, 9/10 times, they would've used label money.

Peedi, O/Sparks and Young Guns all had cases during this time, O & Sparks multiple, and more serious. O said that Dame was the one setting him up in apts and paying his legal fees.

The State Prop clothing only had Beans as the face, not an owner, or someone that would receive royalties from merch. Beans was x'd out of that deal completely, but it looked like he was the boss. This was another issue Chain Gang had with the setup. Beans was marketed as a boss, but had no boss power and wasn't gettin boss checks. He was getting a small check, like they all were, and the crazy thing is that they still ended up having to pay for it when used for videos/shoots. I don't know if you follow Philly hip-hop, but Peedi, O, Sparks, Beans, Neef have all spoken on this...since like '04 on. Chris always shrugs it off when asked, and Free is quiet. Both Free and Beans had deals ready to go, but Jay wouldn't sign-off on the deals.

Music wise, he was still never gonna be a superstar because he couldn't create crossover White-America music. His best album by far is The B Coming, and that didn't even go gold. He made music for the streets and hood chicks, which was not enough to garner superstar appeal. He also was never gonna get many endorsements. Now did he blow through the money, of course he did. But he was never getting great money like that to begin with.

Beans shot another human being and only got a year in jail

just think about that.

 

[jerzboy]

It’s criminal Peedi never had a proper album

 

[Cladyclad]

It shouldn't be asked publicly, but thats up to Jay if he wants to beak them off though.

Jay brought them into a beef that had nothing to do with them, one where they were front line, loyalty should be accounted for is what O is saying imo. What he's dealing with now in life has nothing to do with Jay but that loyalty card should be able to be cashed in on a likewise. Jay is heavy in the art game, he can easily plug O into the gallery scene and call it day.

As far as them riding for Jay, Its like lending cats money though, before you do it you have to be prepared for the effort to not be reciprocated/or expect a return

Y’all be asking celebrities to do shyt y’all wouldn’t do

Would u look out for a dude who publicly said he can expose secrets to your wife to millions of people?

 

[ajnapoleon]

It’s criminal Peedi never had a proper album

Read a couple of post above yours it will explain why


And he STILL blamed Jay

With that camel hunting season


How wild is that



Can you imagine what jay could say what they was doing


But people are really lucky jay dont talk


He could be like 50 recording convos and letting them out online



But he dont do that