JAY-Z ~ 4:44 (Discussion Thread)

[the artist known az]

that Willow Tour story


Yep

This is one of things I've watched over the last few weeks that make me wonder get back cool with my Dad

At least attempt it before it's too late....some of us don't have that chance or would rather want the chance

You heard Jigga say he only had a month after he reconciled with his

 

[AYEKAY1]

these bonus tracks holy shyt

 

[Brady-Carter]

The footnotes to Adnis, is..

..

 

[Brady-Carter]

That Adnis footnote was the best one. shyt hit home wit me


Moonlight up next

That shyt, really hit home.

 

[ATearInMyEye]

I need a l*nk

Will rep with a +1 account as long as you dont tell

 

[Cladyclad]

we still debating this masterpiece

This shyt came and went

 

[904]

Is there anyway to see these footnotes?

 

[LuvKaya]

His flow is dope what do you mean?
This sounds like the comment from a formulaic expectation i.e. "This is how a good flow sounds, exhibit a b c", dude is 20+ years in bringing out new flows, still. It's obvious that he can rap like on Marcy Me or Smile all the time, but he wanted to mix talking and rapping on 4:44 and it was dope as fukk, or that ultra slow flow on Adnis etc.

It seems like he's fully trying to adjust the flow and delivery to what's happening in the instrumental and the bars.

Finally bought the album. It's aight, my takeaway from this is:

"Ya flow is garbage/what you trying to kick knowledge"

Jay's flow is so ass in spots it's cringe worthy. He is spitting some shyt but sacrificed his flow for it. Hopefully it grows on me.

Interesting... I was talking to a yungin, 21, and they were telling me they couldn't really get with with Jay Z because of his flow. I grew up with him so I'm used to it.

 

[vampire xtc]

Play the album everyday still...

The album has legit taken on a life of its own..


The view had a segment about it

Connor mcgregor gave it to Floyd during the press conference and told him it teach him how to be a man lol

The YouTube reaction videos

Twitter reactions

The videos for the album still dropping

Other artists reactions

The reviews

Etc...

Album of the year first ballot

 

[Cladyclad]

Moonlight video lol

These dudes really re did a Friends episode

 

[Cloud McFly]

 

[Hammer]

first classic since MBDTF and GKMC (idk which came first)

 

[Ziggiy]

That Moonlight clip was absolutely incredible.

 

[Ziggiy]

Moonlight video is about the "awakening" of black consciousness when it comes to how we are portrayed in mainstream media and entertainment. There was a VERY good HBO movie that dropped in the mid 2000's called Dancing In September starring Nicole Ari Parker and Isiah Washington that went deeper into the concept.

Basically Hollywood has mostly portrayed Blacks in a negative light or HIGHLY c00nism or buffoonish. Think about Good Times, when the Producers pushed JJ's goofy ass over the family dynamic. Or something like Homeboys In Outer Space or countless examples I can name of. Whereas most the historically "prestige" sitcoms about white daily life have been met with unanimous praise and reviews while depicting multi-Faceted characters with arcs and growth.

So you have a generation of black actors/comedians/creatives WISHING that they could be apart of a black "Friends" or "Seinfeld". But what they don't realize is that that type of humor is white by nature, targeted towards whites, about white experiences. So when the black entertainers try to mimic that format it comes off corny and not at all what they envisioned.

Issa Rae and Jerrod Carmichael in REAL LIFE represent the rejection of the notion that you have to follow the white blueprint to attain success. Both Carmichael Show and Insecure are unabashedly "black" in the DNA of their storytelling.

That's why the basis for Jerrod "walking away" from his sitcom is a larger symptom of deep seated racism within the industry. The network only gave his show a 6 episode first season. It outperformed expectations. Then they only gave him a 13 episode 2nd season (when most sitcoms get 22) and the show STILL outperformed expectations. THEN they only gave him 13 episodes for a third, and he had to battle with them every step of the way to tell the story in an authentic way. The network put minimal marketing muscle behind it. And finally he said "fukk it" and walked away.

"Even when we win we gonna lose" is basically the Carmichael Show's ironic fate. It outperformed, was a critical success, but that still wasn't enough to give Carmichael the creative freedom to do as he chose

 

[We Major]

Finally got round to this this week. God damn