JAY-Z ~ 4:44 (Discussion Thread)
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album is fukking amazing....i'm not gonna finish it for a while cause i keep taking it back lol....that last verse in 'smile': holy shyt.....the song i'm ride around to on repeat this summer with the windows down: 'caught their eyes'.....that beat is so catchy, and jay just flows so effortless over it....the song i'm ride around to on repeat this fall with the windows cracked: 'bam'....fukk it, i'm just ride around to this for awhile period.....
goddamn your man hov done cracked the can open again
goddamn your man hov done cracked the can open again
New Jeruz Jewelz
Wavey Vertigo Veteran
Honestly I could care less about the actual album personally, I'm not the target because I agree with the messenger regardless of his very hypocritical views. The response it's getting is powerful because it's finally shifted the topic back to our empowerment and regardless of anyone's personal position on what Jay said; it's brought the "proper" individuals to the discussion table because they respect the messenger. The moment you get someone to defend their actions and speak on these topics, even in disagreement they provide energy & life to those topics. IMO things will shift in one of two directions after this short moment in time passes. Those that agree/disagree will carve a very important path for the culture.
I love this album but as a Jay fan im mad folks calling it his first "conscious" album. Jay been on the black excellence shyt since WTT. And honestly MCHG does the things he does on 444 better. Only difference is one had JT on the lead single and one had Story of OJ as lead single.
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Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacle®
I disagree, the last point you made is why folks are saying this his first conscious ALBUM. Jay always gives bits and pieces of it as he did on WTT and MCHG on some songs but he did a whole album full of conscious stuff. No bangers for the club in the typical sense or anything. Just straight consciousness and the unmasking of himself.
Jay might be the GOAT if he got another one of these in him
Gonna be him versus Pac for me.Facts, I still say that Effen line was a mention of Fifty Cent. I don't care what no one say fam.
Any proof? Are is that joke cause of the irony lol.J. Elec wrote "Legacy"
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacle®
Listen to Nas's song daughters or the Life Is Good album and you will see why.
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacle®
Caught their eyes is a big one man. I hated Frank Ocean's voice on the hook but it grew on me. Really soulful!
I disagree, the last point you made is why folks are saying this his first conscious ALBUM. Jay always gives bits and pieces of it as he did on WTT and MCHG on some songs but he did a whole album full of conscious stuff. No bangers for the club in the typical sense or anything. Just straight consciousness and the unmasking of himself.
Jay might be the GOAT if he got another one of these in him
Facts, I still say that Effen line was a mention of Fifty Cent. I don't care what no one say fam.
Any proof? Are is that joke cause of the irony lol.
I feel where you're coming from but "BAM" is a radio/club record.
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacle®
Is not the typical one though. A lil too lyrical then the typical hit song now a days but you're right. I see potential for Bam and Caught Their Eyes as big singles for the album but especially Bam.
Edit:HopefullyMarcy Me too but IDK. Radio so bad now a days.
DontEemTry
Superstar
I apologize
Our love was one for the ages and I contained us
And all this ratchet shyt and we more expansive
Not meant to cry and die alone in these mansions
Or sleep with our back turned
We supposed to vacay 'til our backs burned
We're supposed to laugh 'til our heart stops
And then meet in a space where the dark stop
And let love light the way
Like the men before me, I cut off my nose to spite my face
I never wanted another woman to know
Something about me that you didn't know
I promised, I cried, I couldn't hold
I suck at love, I think I need a do-over
I will be emotionally available if I invited you over
I stew over,
what if
you over
my shyt?
Man, y'all nikkas don't even know.
When you got a good woman that you've taken for granted for so long and one day it just hits you that you could lose all that over some bullshyt. I feel that brehs
Our love was one for the ages and I contained us
And all this ratchet shyt and we more expansive
Not meant to cry and die alone in these mansions
Or sleep with our back turned
We supposed to vacay 'til our backs burned
We're supposed to laugh 'til our heart stops
And then meet in a space where the dark stop
And let love light the way
Like the men before me, I cut off my nose to spite my face
I never wanted another woman to know
Something about me that you didn't know
I promised, I cried, I couldn't hold
I suck at love, I think I need a do-over
I will be emotionally available if I invited you over
I stew over,
what if
you over
my shyt?
Man, y'all nikkas don't even know.
When you got a good woman that you've taken for granted for so long and one day it just hits you that you could lose all that over some bullshyt. I feel that brehs
criminology
hearse initiator
Of course people are gonna compare jay and nas albums when 4:44 follows LIG with NO ID as executive producer and features Damian Marley.
Can't avoid it which sucks bc art and music isn't baseball or boxing. There's no objective best and there can be competition without the need to decide a clear winner. fukk it but it just sucks the fun out of it.
Honestly the internet obsession over jay vs nas is one of the worse things to happen to hip hop. More time has passed between now and their make up concert than their debuts and their make up concert.
But if any conclusion should be made it's that NO ID is amazing and we should be forever grateful he got both albums out of jay and nas for us. They both floundered for a long time and he straightened them both out and dropped some classic music anyone stuck in the 90s.
Can't avoid it which sucks bc art and music isn't baseball or boxing. There's no objective best and there can be competition without the need to decide a clear winner. fukk it but it just sucks the fun out of it.
Honestly the internet obsession over jay vs nas is one of the worse things to happen to hip hop. More time has passed between now and their make up concert than their debuts and their make up concert.
But if any conclusion should be made it's that NO ID is amazing and we should be forever grateful he got both albums out of jay and nas for us. They both floundered for a long time and he straightened them both out and dropped some classic music anyone stuck in the 90s.
and 
for cats talking bout "where his lead single?"THIS isn't the album for that.
If thats what you expecting, it went right over your head. This grown man music. Nobody saying Hov reinventing the wheel or nothing, but we've (as fans) NEVER seen Hov get this personal for a whole album.
At best he give you a song or two, but this one right here isn't for clubs, trunks/systems, strippers. And he not stepping on anybody toes (aside from the obvious) he made an album for the older heads like myself, and continues to let the young cats shine as well. (the tupac nosering line) If it ain't for you, it ain't for you and that's cool...Stick to the money phones on IG. Funny thing is, folks think he "dissed" that, he didn't say stop doing it (if that's your thing) he just said we don't consider that "having money" where he is in his life. Tryna show people another side, but they wanna stay where they at,
Newark88
Superstar
Caught Their Eyes is becoming my favorite song off the album so far.
Album is definitely very dope and solid... But not sure exactly where I would rank it among Jay's discography tho... But imo it's a runner up with with In My Lifetime Vol.1 to 5th place for sure right behind Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint 1, Black Album & American Gangster.