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Urbanmiracle said:
And also the nerve of Jigga to diss Kanye, one of two producers who help make his career what it is by providing classic beats. Jigga smartly rode the wave of Kanye enough to do an whole album but now Kanye kinda cooled off it's ok to diss him.

And Kanye did throw shots first but it was justified. I told jigga I did a song with Coldplay. Next thing I see He did a song with Coldplay....
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I don't have a problem with Jay dissing Kanye. He doesn't owe him any form of reverence.

The only valid criticism is that Jay never confronted what Kanyes actual beef with him was about..

Kanye ranted that he was mad Jay didn't go to his wedding and their kids didn't play together..

Jays response was "I gave you 20 million dollars"

The same shyt happened with Beans.. He was hurt Jay didn't show up for his court dates.. And Jays response was "I made you a millionaire"

These Rocafella n1ggas keep looking for him to be a friend or big brother, but Jay sees it as business.. The monetary transaction makes them even, he doesn't care about their feelings.
 
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gator_king said:
I don't have a problem with Jay dissing Kanye. He doesn't owe him any form of reverence.

The only valid criticism is that Jay never confronted what Kanyes actual beef with him was about..

Kanye ranted that he was mad Jay didn't go to his wedding and their kids didn't play together..

Jays response was "I gave you 20 million dollars"

The same shyt happened with Beans.. He was hurt Jay didn't show up for his court dates.. And Jays response was "I made you a millionaire"

These Rocafella n1ggas keep looking for him to be a friend or big brother, but Jay sees it as business.. The monetary transaction makes them even, he doesn't care about their feelings.
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I mean lets put the shyt in perspective.

If you ain't Emory, Ta-Ta, Bleek, or Young Guru then you didn't come up with Jay and Jay probably doesn't see you as someone he's obligated to be around personally. Seriously, who the fukk would let their children anywhere around the Kardashians? I mean God Kanye's kids have a whore for a wife. FOUR whores as aunties. And a transsexual as a grandfather/mother. If Kanye EVER thought that Hov and Bey was letting Blue Ivy anywhere near that freak show he's as crazy as everyone thinks he is.

Beans was a psychopath who, despite Jay AND Dame's best efforts, still ended up losing a lung over some Street shyt and getting locked up. Regardless of Jay coming to his court cases this fool still ended up in PRISON years later. Jay ain't these nikkas father. I wouldn't bet $20 on current Kanye and Jay gave that nikka TWENTY MILLION!!

Jay put both these guys in positions to win and they still wanna cry about shyt he DIDNT do. Like he's there actual blood relative. If Kanye wants his children to have playmates then go let them hang out with Will Smith's kids and the rest of the Hollywood freaks.
 
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how dare ya'll not let me get my camel joke off :picard:


nas album is done > moonlight

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Ziggiy said:
I mean lets put the shyt in perspective.

If you ain't Emory, Ta-Ta, Bleek, or Young Guru then you didn't come up with Jay and Jay probably doesn't see you as someone he's obligated to be around personally. Seriously, who the fukk would let their children anywhere around the Kardashians? I mean God Kanye's kids have a whore for a wife. FOUR whores as aunties. And a transsexual as a grandfather/mother. If Kanye EVER thought that Hov and Bey was letting Blue Ivy anywhere near that freak show he's as crazy as everyone thinks he is.

Beans was a psychopath who, despite Jay AND Dame's best efforts, still ended up losing a lung over some Street shyt and getting locked up. Regardless of Jay coming to his court cases this fool still ended up in PRISON years later. Jay ain't these nikkas father. I wouldn't bet $20 on current Kanye and Jay gave that nikka TWENTY MILLION!!

Jay put both these guys in positions to win and they still wanna cry about shyt he DIDNT do. Like he's there actual blood relative. If Kanye wants his children to have playmates then go let them hang out with Will Smith's kids and the rest of the Hollywood freaks.
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I'm not arguing any of this. My point still stands.
 
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oO J Smooth Oo said:
I had no expectation with this album then dude drops an album entirely produced by no i.d.

What track is this you recited?
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Marcy Me.


gator_king said:
I don't have a problem with Jay dissing Kanye. He doesn't owe him any form of reverence.

The only valid criticism is that Jay never confronted what Kanyes actual beef with him was about..

Kanye ranted that he was mad Jay didn't go to his wedding and their kids didn't play together..

Jays response was "I gave you 20 million dollars"

The same shyt happened with Beans.. He was hurt Jay didn't show up for his court dates.. And Jays response was "I made you a millionaire"

These Rocafella n1ggas keep looking for him to be a friend or big brother, but Jay sees it as business.. The monetary transaction makes them even, he doesn't care about their feelings.
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I don't think it's a business vs personal thing. If Kanye was in debt and Jay was helping him get out of debt, to the tune of $20 mil, that's more than business. He's saving Kanye's life at that point.

The rant may have legit points to it, but Kanye shouldn't have done that on stage. Address it personally. Now it forces Jay to address it and make you look bad. Why even put him or yourself in that spot?
 
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