Jay Stans, if you refuse to admit that DMX was bigger than Jay in 98, can you at least admit this

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Vol. 2 has become underrated over time IMO…it doesn’t get the nostalgia bump that other projects from that era get because Jay’s run extended so long after that (and he released joints that are held in higher regard later on)…it’s very much a “real time, “impact” classic” that I generally tend to give more credence to than some of the less impactful “critical darling” classics…I probably personally think it’s better than IDAHIH, not gonna argue anyone down that goes the other way
 

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IDK bout IDHH …but FOMF with all them Swizz Beatz beats always sounded weird to me in comparison to his first album :yeshrug:
Flesh was a bunch of throwaways and that fact got overlooked due to the hype of his debut :francis:
 

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DMX's debut in 98 was massive! The raw unmatched aggression from his voice, the classic Ruff Ryders dark beats and the themes surrounding DMX's life makes this a standout

DMX was also a newcomer in the league. When X came out, his brought a lot of energy to the game

Just off the strength of the first single




Vol.2 had a more poppier sound with Swiss and JD for the mainstream masses. Jay is more flashy on this album. Vol.2 did have bangers

This joint with the LOX and Sigel
 

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What Hov fan said he wasn't bigger than dmx in 98? Got some links to support these claims or are you just Donald Trumping ish? Making up ish that didn't happen to support your agenda?
 

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Its Dark hit so different compared to Vol 2 its not even funny. Vol 2 aged like a wombat's nutsack:

  • The "floss" monotone Jigga voice I despise so much
  • The late 90s digital Thug raps
  • Overrated ass single
  • Bounce wit me ass tracks
Meanwhile, It's Dark just felt like fukkery in the purest form. You got a man with nothing to lose rapping over prime Swizz and Dame beats. The aggression of the album brought back the rugged NYC hip hop and made folks take off the pink suits, and throw on the doo rags and timb boots.

Also, it felt more sincere compared to X's follow up album, which just ehhhh...its okay at beast.

Overall, Its Dark>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vol 2
One single swizz beat. This album is Dame Grease genius soundscapes. Which is why this level of artistry was never recaptured again by DMX or any RR artist again.
 

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Vol. 2 has become underrated over time IMO…it doesn’t get the nostalgia bump that other projects from that era get because Jay’s run extended so long after that (and he released joints that are held in higher regard later on)…it’s very much a “real time, “impact” classic” that I generally tend to give more credence to than some of the less impactful “critical darling” classics…I probably personally think it’s better than IDAHIH, not gonna argue anyone down that goes the other way

Vol. 2 is only underrated on here. And the reason why it gets underrated is because its commercial. That has ALWAYS been the case here. Anything that was as huge as Vol. 2 gets nerfed and hit with the "it didn't age well" narrative.

The music on Vol. 2 is timeless. It's just messy as an album becausr it plays more like a hits compilation than a cohesive album. Nothing on Vol. 2 is as bad as those singles from Vol. 1. Vol. 2 has highs that are all time Hip Hop classics.
 

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The Blueprint

For sure


Blueprint soft as hell.
I never thought about this topic.
I mean why would I.
I am rhe protege to a legend.

Sohh...seeing as i have not had any existing thought about this ever.

I think this is thread worthy for the fukkery.
As I was a rd to vol iii solo album Jay fan.
whereas dmx was an out dated styles rapper to me.
I never cared for dmx albums.
besides grand champion in real time.
as an actual personal spin.
Which for thatbyear was lackluster and it got personal spins because I believe it was out when I was on tour if I remember right. So it got spins because of its release date timing and being available for review. Which I remember writing and giving higher reviews on dmx's technical skill evolving on his pengame.
as his work was just to technically outdated in every sense of the word.
On his debut and followup. That of course you guys just all love.
I have never been compelled to write reviews for dmx's early debut or followup.

In the is he or isn't he? defjam's pac era of work. As it was just too styles war outdated for my personal listening tbh.
Sohh. Yeah.

Let's get that thread goin.

i wanna read the fukkery you jiggy ass house duck face ass nikkaz make up.

As dmx could be realisticay a legacy styles war artist. To the point dmx never left the recording period of 1991. After originally biting Kane and dmx was a way better and actually noteworthy debut white label artist as darkman x with cultural skill acclaim.
on a higher skill level Than jayz. being an actual Kane disciple.

so i would enjoy reading that thread.
also..dmx never needed to overly bite anyone.
after his early period of being a kane biter. Plus a Das efx styles war wra biter.
which everyone was in those era's because most could not be on rakim level frfr.
Let alone without biting.
Kane to Das efx in that era and anyone that fit an obscure style to bite was bitten as well. Hence why Nas phased it out in the technical Renaissance in 1994. That jayz used to re-define his style. Of course after flanking big l, sauce money and jaz o.. plus biting geechi suede. Who along with mase were the best styles war era unsigned emcees of the era. So jayz was around the other unsigned guy from the styles war era of note to bite from. Plus was there to witness how to get props and signed. While adjusting to the technical Renaissance as well. Being as jayz was produced by ski. Who also produced geechi seude's group. Where jayz had insider info on how offrbrand suede was to socially capitalize and draw past using an alternative cultural connection. That jayz never violated and it is suspected.
that geechi moves in a suspect manner incomparison.
So Jay bit his way to drawing skill and prominence. While dmx is built on actually biting at both their core from forgotten cultural times and eras to the commercial consumer. Who definitely do not know how we arose to get here.
That I wanna read rhis shyt.
so yeah.

Let's get that thread popping.


Outside of rd. Is dmx's album discography better than jayz's.

Also dmx does have jayz on debut in timelinr to start.
As Jay never made a solo or group debut of note as a rook. He made a followup. With jazz that allegedly made noise. Yet fast rap that caught on jayz tries to make came from him and jaz on trendsetter. When rhe trendsetter for tung Twista and rapping double tume fast came from po righteously commercial early primetime success with rock dis funk joint. So even Jay and jaz trying to front like trendsetters rocked when it did not.

Even any mention of trend setter as the origin to the explosion or creation of double time is cap.
So Let's get that thread going...



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Vol. 2 is only underrated on here. And the reason why it gets underrated is because its commercial. That has ALWAYS been the case here. Anything that was as huge as Vol. 2 gets nerfed and hit with the "it didn't age well" narrative.

The music on Vol. 2 is timeless. It's just messy as an album becausr it plays more like a hits compilation than a cohesive album. Nothing on Vol. 2 is as bad as those singles from Vol. 1. Vol. 2 has highs that are all time Hip Hop classics.


Volume two was all singles before the release of the actual album on vinyl singles. Powered by movie house money in rhe dawn of rhe beginning of the Jay mastering rhe oversaturation single bds release schedule play in music. Similar to the rock band kiss old album release schedule. of every eight months like busta mastered.
in the coming to disaster strikes and the long simmer singles release burn draw.
of danger and put ya hands where my eyes can see.
Coupled with volume two being a purposeful degradative skill showcase of bare bones one syllable to barely three syllable rhymes. That feature the only real skill output on a redo over revisiting the passing of big's grief. On the mtv darling of an era single hardknock life. As jay flopped on volume one. So after the movie house singles and hard knock life. All available on vinyl before the album was released.
I have to ask?

As a american domestic consumer of volume ii the lp. What is on volume two as a domestic American consumer.
you are missing out on?
besides the posse cut with really only two standout verses. from sauce money and the debuting beanie siegel.
What was worth buying on volume two for 17.99 at Sam Goode at the time. That made volume two worth it. When you already spent 5.99 three times already on the vinyl singles for this album before release?


Please answer that.

or post your review of the album in real time from that era.
To showcase to us. You know this album well enough from release.
As I know you not gon supply a review that is honest. Without your jayz stockholm affected stan revisionist history of volume two as an album.

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It's DMX.

He was so popular in his prime even countries that barely speak English were listening to him. In those places there was basically Eminem, 50 Cent, Dr. Dre, Snoop and DMX. Everyone else was secondary in popularity, including Jay-Z and others.
 
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