Jay Electronica "in my opinion" co-wrote "N****r Hatred"

[spliz]

It's all speculation unless actual proof (like reference songs, demos, etc.) surfaces. Otherwise it's just all, "I think...", "it sounds like..." type of reasoning which leads nowhere. Besides, there are going to be similarities anyway being that Nas influenced Jay Electronica.

I will say this though, most producers throw lines to rappers all the time. A key element of being a producer is being involved in the creation of the entire song including co-writing. Producers don't necessarily have to co-write or they may not contribute to writing a song at all.

It could be said that most of the producers that Nas has worked with have co-written for him to some capacity. From helping him with a concept to giving him a line to making him change lines or entire verses, they've all helped him. That not only goes for Nas, but most rappers especially rappers that still work with producers on the spot instead of e-mailing music.

Yup..Nas is hands on when it comes to his projects..WE SEEN this nikka's in studio process with our own eyes...that's the funny thing about this whole thing...he even asked that young kid who made the beat if certain things sounded right....

 

[Zach Lowe]

It's all speculation unless actual proof (like reference songs, demos, etc.) surfaces. Otherwise it's just all, "I think...", "it sounds like..." type of reasoning which leads nowhere. Besides, there are going to be similarities anyway being that Nas influenced Jay Electronica.

I will say this though, most producers throw lines to rappers all the time. A key element of being a producer is being involved in the creation of the entire song including co-writing. Producers don't necessarily have to co-write or they may not contribute to writing a song at all.

It could be said that most of the producers that Nas has worked with have co-written for him to some capacity. From helping him with a concept to giving him a line to making him change lines or entire verses, they've all helped him. That not only goes for Nas, but most rappers especially rappers that still work with producers on the spot instead of e-mailing music.

Jay E's man who posts on another forum claims to have the Jay E references

 

[JustCKing]

You can argue about Jay E if you refuse to listen to Proclamation with open ears and read what he says in interviews (he never actually denies that he wrote for Nas, he just praises Nas - two different things)

You can't argue stic.man cuz the album booklet says on three tracks "Co-written, produced, and arranged by stic.man"
the fact that his writing credit is emphasized in that order and is restated after the usual type of writing credit (the usual format, i.e. for the song Success on AG "S. Carter, E. Wilson, N. Jones, L. Ellis") implies a greater involvement in writing than just doing a beat

Producing a song within itself emphasizes a greater involvement than just doing a beat. Producers don't necessarily specify that they contributed more than the beat because "produced by" pretty much takes care of that aspect. A lot of times, "arranged" is omitted because the title of producer takes care of that. Producers can be credited seperately for any additional elements they contributed that fall under the title of producer if they like. stic.man getting an co-writer credit doesn't reveal how much of an involvement he had in writing the song.

 

[Ziggiy]

Jay E's man who posts on another forum claims to have the Jay E references

Oh yeah and I've got proof that NASA faked the moon landing, The KKK orchestrated Kennedy's assassination, and Martin Luther King was an alien from Mars

 

[Zach Lowe]

Producing a song within itself emphasizes a greater involvement than just doing a beat. Producers don't necessarily specify that they contributed more than the beat because "produced by" pretty much takes care of that aspect. A lot of times, "arranged" is omitted because the title of producer takes care of that. Producers can be credited seperately for any additional elements they contributed that fall under the title of producer if they like. stic.man getting an co-writer credit doesn't reveal how much of an involvement he had in writing the song.

So it's not suspect that "co-written" is emphasized when its basically redundant when it says his first initial and last name on the track?

We all understand that producers shape records and influence artists and all that

What they don't normally do is feed the artist bars to spit

stic.man did that which is why people are saying he "ghostwrite" for Nas (which means wrote his bars, not just hooks or beats but verse content)

that Vibe interview with stic plays it all down cuz that was after the story became huge

an interview from years ago says he wrote certain lines for Nas ("I watch CBS and I see BS"), bounced ideas with him (basically co-wrote songs), and sent him reference tracks that he would finish

 

[Zach Lowe]

Oh yeah and I've got proof that NASA faked the moon landing, The KKK orchestrated Kennedy's assassination, and Martin Luther King was an alien from Mars

I don't wanna blow him up but the source is real
he has passed every litmus test we could think of

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

"I'd take the grave or a bid
to let some dirty clan members run up in my crib
And plant cracks on the man that's goin to church
Plants packs on the man that's goin to work
And build cases, meanwhile they daddies and they brothers
Is recruitin all my brothers and cousins to fill bases"

that is exactly Jay Electronica's rhyme scheme. You can even hear Nas deepen his voice in the middle of it in the same way Jay Electronica would sound. I think that's definitely some co-authorship.




also, the lines that preceed it:

"This is the Genesis, and I don't even see a worthy arch nemesis
I get loose like the Jena 6, they put a noose on 'Pac
Now I'm defendin Vick, and free that nikka TIP"

stand out to me as something Jay Electronica would write, especially given that he even has a song titled 'A Prayer For Michael Vick & T.I.'





now while Stic.Man & Jay Electronica are both saying officially on the record that they didn't "ghostwrite" -- if you look at Stic.Man's full statement he states clearly that they DID "collaborate" on lyrics:

"My contributions to his album was a collaboration and an honor and under his direction of what he wanted to convey and say."

"And I assisted where it was requested with ideas, beats and some writing. Not because Nas "needed" me lol..."

so you can see that it's stated clear as day that Stic.Man DID write for the album. They're just not officially calling it "ghostwriting," they're calling it "collaboration." Which is kinda disingenuous to me, the word "collaboration" in rap terms means they're featured ON the song. So they're playing with semantics to soften the idea.

& honestly, it's not really ghostwriting either -- it's something that happens in every studio session, -- you get feedback from your peoples in the studio like "Nah, dont spit it like that, here say this"
from the producers, to the engineers, to friends, label people, groupies smoking weed, anybody in the room is gonna prolly have lil ideas about what's gonna make the song better.

however this case is a kinda different situation -- cause Stic & Jay aren't just his peoples that randomly happened to be in the room. They were specifically brought on board & requested to be there for that specific purpose.

it's still not that big of a deal in my mind, but it's dirty that they're pretending that NOTHING happened.

if yall nikkaz cant tell by now that rakim birthed nas style and nas birthed jay electronica style yall nikkaz is slo00000000000000w

 

[Dat Migo]

Jay E's man who posts on another forum claims to have the Jay E references

scarves don't have shyt, I wanna slap the shyt out of that kak for lying on the goat

 

[TJ Hend]

first time i heard queens get the money i thought Jay Electronic helped Nas

 

[Zach Lowe]

scarves don't have shyt, I wanna slap the shyt out of that kak for lying on the goat

how do you know he's white

 

[waynep]

As a Nas stan i just wish this would go away lol and if the reference tracks are real those files need to be confiscated to protect the integrity of Hip-hop off some FBI shyt lol

 

[L. Deezy]

You DO realize that Jay Electronica writes and spits reminiscent of NAS. NOT the other way around...




Everybody credible in the industry and thier mother damn near has said Nas doesn't use Ghostwriters. Jay Elect and Stic.Man BOTH have denied it...and it's STILL a topic of discussion?

fukk is wrong with some of y'all? Doesn't it even begin to dawn upon some of you adamant accusers ( looking at you Fagra) that a man who has spent 20 years in Hip Hop and has never ONCE had his penmanship questioned, even by those who he's been in bitter beefs with, simply writes his OWN lyrics? All it takes is ONE bytch who is an admitted Hov Stan, basically pulling an accusation out of her ass with ZERO proof to convince people of some bullshyt? Does that even make any logical sense!!??!?

Nas wrote Illmatic when he was 17-20. He can't write Queens Get The Money and ****** Hatred at age 35? He needs Jay fukking Electronica (an ADMITTED Nas Stan) to write him a song referencing Illmatic (his debut) Kelis (His wife) Certain fans saying he fell off (he's been referencing this since his third album I.e. Hate Me Now)and beef with 50 Cent. Nas needs a Ghostwriter for THIS???


And all of a sudden Nas needs Stic.Man to write entire songs about the black prospective in America? So Nas never wrote Ghetto Prisoners, Last Words, My Country, Poison, or Revolutionary Warfare?

Let's THINK here people

 

[up in here]

I dont think Jay is a better rapper at all. & Yea, Nas has way more complex raps. those specific bars sound dead ass like Jay tho. Nas doesn't overstuff his bars like that.

i guess you never heard IWW. people actually made note of nas overstuffing his bars back then

either way, yall know that new "hip-hop" track with nas and scarface, word is DJ Khaled ghostwrote it. He even ghosted primo's scratches on it.

 

[JustCKing]

So it's not suspect that "co-written" is emphasized when its basically redundant when it says his first initial and last name on the track?

We all understand that producers shape records and influence artists and all that

What they don't normally do is feed the artist bars to spit

stic.man did that which is why people are saying he "ghostwrite" for Nas (which means wrote his bars, not just hooks or beats but verse content)

that Vibe interview with stic plays it all down cuz that was after the story became huge

an interview from years ago says he wrote certain lines for Nas ("I watch CBS and I see BS"), bounced ideas with him (basically co-wrote songs), and sent him reference tracks that he would finish

Co-wrote is about as suspect is co-produced. It's saying that they contributed to the writing or production of the track. The reason why a red flag isn't risen in stic getting a co-writing credit is that often times people who write entire tracks aren't credited in that manner. They usually just have the parenthetical recognition. A ghostwriter gets the same parenthetical recognition or they don't receive credits at all.

Giving rappers bars to spit may not be the "norm" form producers, but they have and can give rappers lines, bars, words etc. It doesn't qualify as ghostwriting

 

[Zach Lowe]

Co-wrote is about as suspect is co-produced. It's saying that they contributed to the writing or production of the track. The reason why a red flag isn't risen in stic getting a co-writing credit is that often times people who write entire tracks aren't credited in that manner. They usually just have the parenthetical recognition. A ghostwriter gets the same parenthetical recognition or they don't receive credits at all.

Giving rappers bars to spit may not be the "norm" form producers, but they have and can give rappers lines, bars, words etc. It doesn't qualify as ghostwriting

You're right because co-produced is also suspect as fukk

Giving a rapper lines to spit does qualify as ghostwriting

That's the fukking definition of ghostwriting