Jay Electronica "in my opinion" co-wrote "N****r Hatred"

[Ziggiy]

You DO realize that Jay Electronica writes and spits reminiscent of NAS. NOT the other way around...




Everybody credible in the industry and thier mother damn near has said Nas doesn't use Ghostwriters. Jay Elect and Stic.Man BOTH have denied it...and it's STILL a topic of discussion?

fukk is wrong with some of y'all? Doesn't it even begin to dawn upon some of you adamant accusers ( looking at you Fagra) that a man who has spent 20 years in Hip Hop and has never ONCE had his penmanship questioned, even by those who he's been in bitter beefs with, simply writes his OWN lyrics? All it takes is ONE bytch who is an admitted Hov Stan, basically pulling an accusation out of her ass with ZERO proof to convince people of some bullshyt? Does that even make any logical sense!!??!?

Nas wrote Illmatic when he was 17-20. He can't write Queens Get The Money and ****** Hatred at age 35? He needs Jay fukking Electronica (an ADMITTED Nas Stan) to write him a song referencing Illmatic (his debut) Kelis (His wife) Certain fans saying he fell off (he's been referencing this since his third album I.e. Hate Me Now)and beef with 50 Cent. Nas needs a Ghostwriter for THIS???


And all of a sudden Nas needs Stic.Man to write entire songs about the black prospective in America? So Nas never wrote Ghetto Prisoners, Last Words, My Country, Poison, or Revolutionary Warfare?

Let's THINK here people

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Jay Elect has also subliminally bragged about this on twitter

"i'm your favorite ghostwriter's favorite ghostwriter"
"Jay-Z and Nas think I'm the greatest"

implying he has written for both

when are people gonna relize that jay el is a bird

 

[CAVEMAN]

People have been talking about Jay E writing Proclamation just as long as Queens Get The Money

I was just the first to point out the Mike Vick/T.I. shyt and focus on the second half of the song being unmistakably Jay Elect's style

oh ok, aint seen that.
by the way I kinda wanted to respond to your post biting comment:
call it a collaboration.

but figured you'd think I'm serious.

 

[Ronald]

You DO realize that Jay Electronica writes and spits reminiscent of NAS. NOT the other way around...




Everybody credible in the industry and thier mother damn near has said Nas doesn't use Ghostwriters. Jay Elect and Stic.Man BOTH have denied it...and it's STILL a topic of discussion?

fukk is wrong with some of y'all? Doesn't it even begin to dawn upon some of you adamant accusers ( looking at you Fagra) that a man who has spent 20 years in Hip Hop and has never ONCE had his penmanship questioned, even by those who he's been in bitter beefs with, simply writes his OWN lyrics? All it takes is ONE bytch who is an admitted Hov Stan, basically pulling an accusation out of her ass with ZERO proof to convince people of some bullshyt? Does that even make any logical sense!!??!?

Nas wrote Illmatic when he was 17-20. He can't write Queens Get The Money and ****** Hatred at age 35? He needs Jay fukking Electronica (an ADMITTED Nas Stan) to write him a song referencing Illmatic (his debut) Kelis (His wife) Certain fans saying he fell off (he's been referencing this since his third album I.e. Hate Me Now)and beef with 50 Cent. Nas needs a Ghostwriter for THIS???


And all of a sudden Nas needs Stic.Man to write entire songs about the black prospective in America? So Nas never wrote Ghetto Prisoners, Last Days, My Country, Poison, or Revolutionary Warfare?

Let's THINK here people

Is this a copy + paste of your wack ass post from yesterday

 

[Harry B]

Where the fukk are you dudes getting this from? Is all this provoked from a shock post by Dream Hampton on twitter? Can you nikkas get a second witness (1st witness would be dope to) or some fukking evidence. I hope this shyt doesn't go as far as the Gillie/Wayne thing went back in the days, cats lack too much respect for legends in this hiphop game.

In any other genre, to discredit a legendary song writer we would need bombproof evidence. In hiphop all it takes is a shock post by a Larry Holmed broad.

 

[Zach Lowe]

Ziggiy

stic.man has said he wrote certain lines for Nas
he downplayed his involvement out of respect but he did help Nas write shyt
that's an established fact
he has said so in interviews and the liner notes say co-written by stic.man

as for Jay E he keeps saying "Nas doesn't need a ghostwriter" instead of saying "Nas didn't use me as a ghostwriter" which tells you enough already
add the second half of Proclamation to the equation (which sounds EXACTLY like Jay Elect, Nas prolly re-recorded it after Jay laid those bars down first) and you have the truth
Jay E also wrote for Nas / co-wrote with Nas

in hip hop, getting any assistance with your lyrics is considered using ghostwriters (that might not be fair but thats how it is)

stop the denying you're making Nas fans look bad

and quit the "Jay E is inspired by Nas not the other way around" ish
Alchemist is inspired by Premo but when you hear Alchemist do you think he sounds like Premo? just cuz it's a offshoot of the same type of style doesn't make the styles the same, you can still tell them apart easily

that whole point is some stupid deflecting the question/debate ish
just like what Jay E is doing saying "Nas doesn't NEED ghostwriters"

 

[Mr Miyagi]

And Jay Z didn't write feelin it either right?

 

[dre]

Would you have made this if that stuff hadn't come out the other week? Chances are no.

 

[Zach Lowe]

And lemme add this

if Jay Electronica didn't write parts of Queens Get the Money why would Nas take that beat?

A weird and arguably wack beat by another rapper who's not even known for producing (he just loops up samples for him to spit over)

So Jay didn't assist with the rhymes, he just gave Nas a track that was exactly the kind of beat that he would rap on himself and it happened to have lines that Jay E would say?

Too many coincidences

Plus that beat by itself is garbage

Delusional Nas stan view: Nas heard that wack beat with a weird ass sample and no drums and thought it was hot, then he proceeded to perfectly bite Jay E's style of rapping
Reasonable view: Jay E did the beat and partially wrote the song, then Nas took it and wrote the rest

 

[Ziggiy]

Ziggiy

stic.man has said he wrote certain lines for Nas
he downplayed his involvement out of respect but he did help Nas write shyt
that's an established fact
he has said so in interviews and the liner notes say co-written by stic.man

as for Jay E he keeps saying "Nas doesn't need a ghostwriter" instead of saying "Nas didn't use me as a ghostwriter" which tells you enough already
add the second half of Proclamation to the equation (which sounds EXACTLY like Jay Elect, Nas prolly re-recorded it after Jay laid those bars down first) and you have the truth
Jay E also wrote for Nas / co-wrote with Nas

in hip hop, getting any assistance with your lyrics is considered using ghostwriters (that might not be fair but thats how it is)

stop the denying you're making Nas fans look bad

and quit the "Jay E is inspired by Nas not the other way around" ish
Alchemist is inspired by Premo but when you hear Alchemist do you think he sounds like Premo? just cuz it's a offshoot of the same type of style doesn't make the styles the same, you can still tell them apart easily

that whole point is some stupid deflecting the question/debate ish
just like what Jay E is doing saying "Nas doesn't NEED ghostwriters"

1). If Stic.Man is on the credits for the song, then in no way is it GHOST writing. Are we going by the actual definition of GHOST writing or are we sticking a term to something that doesn't warrant the label? Stic. man has outright said that in no sense did he Ghostwrite any of Nas verses, Nas's HISTORY has proven he doesn't require Ghostwriters for thought provoking lyricism on the subject of America from an African American perspective. So if Nas's HISTORY plus the artist in question has denied any involvement in such activity, then where in your brain does it click "Stic.Man Ghostwrote for Nas"

"So there was no period in time when Nas asked you to write a verse for him?"
No. Take “We’re Not Alone.” That was a beat and hook that I already had for dead prez’ Information Age album. But because it was Nas we just felt, “Hey, man…let’s just give our best.” He happened to like “We’re Not Alone” and he wrote verses from his own point of view of what that song was about. My view of “We’re Not Alone” was about our connection to the environment and each other. But Nas’ take on the song was different—he was talking about aliens…he took it there. And that’s why I say I was more of a producer than a director because I would have taken that song to a different place.

http://www.vibe.com/article/dead-pr...’t-happen”?onswipe_redirect=never

2). Jay Electronica said it himself "Nas God-fathered My Style". "Nas doesn't Need Ghostwriters, never has never WILL" "All the other bullshyt is just BULLshyt" what more of a denial do you need? Again, Jay Electronica (ADMITEEDLY) spits reminiscent of Nas. So Nas needs basically a lyrical clone of himself to WRITE for himself??!!?!? does that even MAKE any sense? So Nas just "probably" re-recorded verses written and spit by Jay Elect that references many subjects and themes that Nas himself has ALREADY written about since his debut album? Again, WHERE is the common sense in all this? Where's the proof? Where is there even truly an argument for speculation behind a trolling twitter post from a jaded Jay-Z Stan and a "Bu bu bu but....Jay Electronica once wrote about Mick Vick!!!" reach

Stop Denying the facts, your making all fans of Hip Hop look bad by adding 2+2 and coming with 12

 

[H.S.]

Confused admiration?

 

[JustCKing]

It's all speculation unless actual proof (like reference songs, demos, etc.) surfaces. Otherwise it's just all, "I think...", "it sounds like..." type of reasoning which leads nowhere. Besides, there are going to be similarities anyway being that Nas influenced Jay Electronica.

I will say this though, most producers throw lines to rappers all the time. A key element of being a producer is being involved in the creation of the entire song including co-writing. Producers don't necessarily have to co-write or they may not contribute to writing a song at all.

It could be said that most of the producers that Nas has worked with have co-written for him to some capacity. From helping him with a concept to giving him a line to making him change lines or entire verses, they've all helped him. That not only goes for Nas, but most rappers especially rappers that still work with producers on the spot instead of e-mailing music.

 

[Zach Lowe]

You can argue about Jay E if you refuse to listen to Proclamation with open ears and read what he says in interviews (he never actually denies that he wrote for Nas, he just praises Nas - two different things)

You can't argue stic.man cuz the album booklet says on three tracks "Co-written, produced, and arranged by stic.man"
the fact that his writing credit is emphasized in that order and is restated after the usual type of writing credit (the usual format, i.e. for the song Success on AG "S. Carter, E. Wilson, N. Jones, L. Ellis") implies a greater involvement in writing than just doing a beat

 

[The Dust King]

Sex and money go together like techs and nine shells
Swiss cheese you and cover it up like Roswell
Cartel, you ain't seen no iller regime
The Celestine prophecy, project warrior, owns property
Crackers hate it, cops get jealous 'cause I stay with
The '98 temporary plates on my whip
The system thing is not right
A rich thug could fck a cop's wife
'Cause I'm on television and live the pop life
I rock mics, make mills, sound scan sales
One point whateva records, professional skills
Money's the root of evil but it make you happy
Don't wanna shoot my people but still they might clap me
'Cause I talk like Dr. Malachi York played the sidewalk Hold four, diamond plate chain, gold fort
Get in tune, rich life Ricky from Silver spoons
Frank Lopez's crib, elevators in living room

I wonder who helped Nas write that.

or this

Dear people of the globe I hope you in good health
By the time my voice hit you Im hopin all wells wit you
My mission is to build wit you
Touch upon some real issues
Senators, Government Officials sit at the conference and listen
Have a Coke and a Mineral water And say im reminiscin of George L. Jackson
Malcolms last wind when I'm rappin
Americans, Africans, Asians, Russians, and Arab men
Send your clergymen to journey wit Nastradamus
I promise an unforgettable experience compare me wit Imhotep
Get in mo dep
History was stolen, get in my zone
What makes the power that be less gangsta then Al Campone
Rosetta stone was stolen like Chicago was
Think I'm a thug?, lets talk about some conquerors
Napoleon, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Hitler, Edi Amin and Attila the Hun
Let's bring back to the cat that invented the gun
From the Indians all the way to the Pentagon
I'm sittin on Capitol Hill composin this rhyme

 

[Zach Lowe]

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In rap having another rapper write your bars is ghostwriting
Yes stic was credited
so that technically makes it not ghostwriting but hip hop culture understands it to be ghostwriting

No one here is saying Nas is wack and needs Jay Elect to write for him, we're saying on at least two songs there is great evidence of Jay E's specific style of spitting and writing

You'll deflect again with "Jay Elect's style is Nas's style" "bu bu bu but Nas is so great he wrote Illmatic why would he need Jay E"

neither Jay E nor stic.man have denied writing for Nas
stic.man has factually co-written with Nas
Jay E keeps deflecting just like you
and his DNA is all over Proclamation