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I was going to watch Impact but then found out the recent NOAH shows are starting to drop, including the Suzuki-Gun invasion:
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Thought the commentary on the AXS show was good. What I hope for is an eventual up to date show with English commentary and subtitles for interview segments
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Rayzah
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I just watched it online cuz i dont have axs with my package, but I do hope somehow enough people have and watch, cuz this is my new alt to wwe, F tna....You better hope millions start watching New Japan on AXS then
but I have a question, I always here them talk about the greats like ,Chono, Kenta, etc... but where does Muta rank amongst the greats, cuz before WK9 he was really the only japan star I knew?
Jmare007
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In ring? He's nowhere close to the greats. Mutoh could work his ass off and be a legit great when motivated but injuries, gimmicks (he fukking sucked as Muta in Japan) and age made him an average/above average guy who could have a classic against he right guy in the right situation.
As a star? It's kinda hard to gauge. He's bigger than Chono, bigger than Taue and probably bigger than Kawada. He wasn't the Ace Hashimoto was for New Japan but as an overall star Mutoh has probably surpassed him. Impossible to leave him out of a top 10 imo.
Japan is hard to judge because what we might believe is one way it really isn't like that over there (like NOAH ever being perceived at the level of New Japan when they were doing big business in Tokyo hand having great shows/matches in the mid 00's).
He's the only one you knew because he left a mark when he worked in the US. That's why US perception is tricky when it comes to puroresu.
Rayzah
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Damn he sucked as muta?
it's crazy cuz he was a great worker in nwa, but you do have him as top 10, so it's not too far off.. So for a guy new to this world who's yiur top 5? So I can check them out?
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Damn he sucked as muta?
right now? don't watch Dragon Gate because I'm not into that style but from what I have been seeing lately.
Jun Akiyama
Shinsuke Nakamura
Tomohiro Ishii
Daisuke Sekimoto
can't decide on a fifth one right now.
Rayzah
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Ok cool, I meant all time tho.. I will be checking these dudes out, I've been watching a lot of nakamura and I have him in my top 5 in the world
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Gun to my head, top 5 Japanese guys in no order
Jumbo Tsuruta
Gen'ichiro Tenryu
Mitsuharu Misawa
Toshiaki Kawada
Yoshiaki Fujiwara....or Tatsumi Fujinami or Shinya Hashimoto, or Kenta Kobashi..can't decide breh
If you include foreigners you have to check everything involving Terry Funk and Stan Hansen.
Scottie Drippin
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A 5 is impossible, as NJ and AJ had their core groups and excluding any of them is damn near a sin.
Hash headlined more shows with over 50,000 people than any wrestler ever, and dude was giving classics up until his death. Plus you have to include Hansen, Gordy, and Williams as they were full-time and their DNA is in puro as much as the legendary Japanese wrestlers.
Tsuruta, Hansen, Gordy, Dr Death, Misawa, Kobashi, Hase, Vader, Hashimoto, Kawada, Chono, Mutoh, Tenryu, Taue, Choshu and Kensuke and then the lost generation of Akiyama, Kojima, Tenzan, and Nagata are all necessary viewing to get a whole picture of puro heavyweight wrestling from the boom up until the fall in the mid 00's.
Hash headlined more shows with over 50,000 people than any wrestler ever, and dude was giving classics up until his death. Plus you have to include Hansen, Gordy, and Williams as they were full-time and their DNA is in puro as much as the legendary Japanese wrestlers.
Tsuruta, Hansen, Gordy, Dr Death, Misawa, Kobashi, Hase, Vader, Hashimoto, Kawada, Chono, Mutoh, Tenryu, Taue, Choshu and Kensuke and then the lost generation of Akiyama, Kojima, Tenzan, and Nagata are all necessary viewing to get a whole picture of puro heavyweight wrestling from the boom up until the fall in the mid 00's.
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Rayzah
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didnt one of them die in the ring from a brainbuster?
so Japan fell off around the same time wwe did
.. I assume they have recovered much quicker
Scottie Drippin
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Incorrect assumption. The Japanese game fell MUCH farther than the WWE did. The WWE has merely fallen from being at the forefront of pop culture to still being a super consistent that its fans watch and attend regardless. WrestleMania sells out every year without missing a step, regardless of what's happening. Ditto big PPVs. NJPW will probably never sell out WrestleKingdom ever again, and the show numbers are just getting back to filling up the smaller venues (and they're still going up).didnt one of them die in the ring from a brainbuster?
Things got as bad as the Dome show only having 15k-18k paid in the middle of the 00's. Can you imagine WWE running a stadium and doing a number like that? It'd be the end of the world.
Now they're doing about 35k in the Dome, but still a ways off of doing 50k+ like they were doing in the 90's, and they were doing it 3-4 times a year.
The Japanese wrestling business fukking collapsed.
Jmare007
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Funny thing is puro began losing their mainstream appeal in the 90's when they started losing they prime time TV slots. But they were still doing great business. Then dumb booking, not having a god-like generation like in the past, even worse TV time slots (or simply losing TV deals) and the MMA boom happened and almost killed the business in the 00's.
shyt, it's still mostly bad nowadays.
shyt, it's still mostly bad nowadays.