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Big return match at my new promotion, Street Fight Club. No explosions this time. Explosions next time.
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Big return match at my new promotion, Street Fight Club. No explosions this time. Explosions next time.
Onita restoring the feeling
Catching up on Peter Pan and for what it was worth, it was pretty alright despite the lack of fans
. fukkery intake is quite low so far but the wrasslin is fukking
Catching up on Peter Pan and for what it was worth, it was pretty alright despite the lack of fans
. fukkery intake is quite low so far but the wrasslin is fukking 
Beautiful Bobby Eatin
SWEEEEEEEEEETNESS!
Its 2020. Onita getting Caol Uno in am explosion match is so unexpected its right on brand for this yearOnita does it AGAIN
PlayerNinety_Nine
Produced, Arranged, Composed and Performed by....
ACH back rocking with New Japan on their US show? 
Good for him
Good for him
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
HollywoodP
#LongLive24 #TMC America's Team, Lakeshow, & ASU
any Joshi brehs know what's this about?
I don't know what breh expected. You can tell just by looking at their audience who their key demographic are and who they'll continue to cater to with the gravure shyt.
It's not Rumble Roses materialized, but the sleaziness has always been there to me. Some high points with Io, Kairi, Mayu, etc., but the product just reeks of
and their fanbase are no help.Gone are the days of Jaguar's fingerprints being on everything remembered as GOAT, Kudo being lit on fire and Chigusa trying her damndest to breed killers...
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
The fukk did Caol Uno come from?
I'm catching up on things, but I didn't even know that he was a public figure in 2020.Hogan can go fukk himself as a human being, but I do love his awkward looking, yet still somehow athletic drop toe hold.
I don't know what breh expected. You can tell just by looking at their audience who their key demographic are and who they'll continue to cater to with the gravure shyt.
It's not Rumble Roses materialized, but the sleaziness has always been there to me. Some high points with Io, Kairi, Mayu, etc., but the product just reeks of
Gone are the days of Jaguar's fingerprints being on everything remembered as GOAT, Kudo being lit on fire and Chigusa trying her damndest to breed killers...
Blame All Japan Women's for that shift (and most of the Joshi scene in the early 1990s, to be honest), if I'm remembering correctly. Everyone realized that they could make more money in the short term marketing to older men as opposed to marketing to younger girls. That's part of the reason why you saw more idol-style photoshoots and the like from wrestlers around that time (though, if I remember correctly, AJW didn't let their girls do nudes). Thing about that is, older men aren't the ones auditioning to enter your dojos and become the next generation of wrestlers.
That sleaziness has been there so long and through so many changes in the Joshi landscape (promotions being founded and dying, AJW's owners going bankrupt over stupid shyt and the resulting exodus of talent, etc.) that it's just a part of the culture's fabric at this point.
Sure. That shift you're referring to should definitely be on the list of awful AJW ideas. The 26/27 rule, no lovers policy and a few other goofy concepts.
But I don't think joshi fans of the 80s and 90s were having a crisis of conscience like they are now, particularly Stardom fans. When your approach leads fans down a dark path of debating whether or not what they enjoy's giving off strong pedo vibes, that might be a good indication to move differently. However... Japan gon' Japan. So in return you have tweets from people like the breh Jmare posted, a subreddit comprised of fans either feeling guilty or juelzing about the
nature emanating from said product, etc..So while I agree with you on the sleaziness, in some shape or form, being ingrained in the culture (AJW did let their girls go nude). Comparing AJW's presentation to the very
Stardom presentation... in front of their roughly 90-95% male audience? I don't know breh.What I do know is that whenever stupidity/weirdo shyt happens, Rossy's name seems to always pop up.
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
Sure. That shift you're referring to should definitely be on the list of awful AJW ideas. The 26/27 rule, no lovers policy and a few other goofy concepts.
But I don't think joshi fans of the 80s and 90s were having a crisis of conscience like they are now, particularly Stardom fans. When your approach leads fans down a dark path of debating whether or not what they enjoy's giving off strong pedo vibes, that might be a good indication to move differently. However... Japan gon' Japan. So in return you have tweets from people like the breh Jmare posted, a subreddit comprised of fans either feeling guilty or juelzing about the
So while I agree with you on the sleaziness, in some shape or form, being ingrained in the culture (AJW did let their girls go nude). Comparing AJW's presentation to the very
What I do know is that whenever stupidity/weirdo shyt happens, Rossy's name seems to always pop up.
I see what you're saying (and, honestly, I'm not in current Joshi circles enough to know how they think about their fandom), I just don't think the shift is really as radical as some might make it out to be. If we were talking from the mid-1980s to the present day, sure. But there's a pretty clear throughline, entailing all the same concerns you mention, from the early 1990s to today, even if it may be more intense nowadays with STARDOM and Tokyo Joshi. The only difference to me is that there may be more incentive to go down the exploitation route because of how the Joshi scene collapsed in the late 1990s.
Also, is it just me, or are Joshis on average smaller than they were in the glory years? Like, Manami Toyota was relatively average sized for the 1987-1997 period , but I get the sense she'd be fairly big compared to the average Joshi these days (Toyota was a listed 5'6", while Asuka and Io Shirai are listed at 5'3" and 5'2"-ish, respectively). Am I wrong to assume that?
No, and that goes for the industry as a whole, men and women, all over the world.
Examples: Billy fukking Gunn being bigger than the monsters in AEW and doing Andre battle royale spots because of it. Mutoh and Misawa in comparison to Tanahashi and Nakamura, "small" guys from the 90s like HBK towering over the current guys like Cole/Gargano/Ciampa/Bryan. Mil Mascaras and Dos Caras in comparison to, say, Lucha Bros.
I didn't realize how tiny Io was until the match with Sasha, where the tiny ass Sasha was like a whole head taller.
Examples: Billy fukking Gunn being bigger than the monsters in AEW and doing Andre battle royale spots because of it. Mutoh and Misawa in comparison to Tanahashi and Nakamura, "small" guys from the 90s like HBK towering over the current guys like Cole/Gargano/Ciampa/Bryan. Mil Mascaras and Dos Caras in comparison to, say, Lucha Bros.
I didn't realize how tiny Io was until the match with Sasha, where the tiny ass Sasha was like a whole head taller.