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Davey Smetlzer ratings

Tana vs Okada 5 stars :mjlol:

Omega vs Ibushi 5.5 stars

Ibushi vs Tana 5.75 stars

This dude is a joke. :scust:

:laff:

If current New Japan had a match on the level, depth and drama of 6/9/95 it would get legit 10 stars from this dude :dead: :dead: I'm kinda glad him stanning All Japan and going full retard with it in the 90's didn't reach the levels it's gotten with NJ now.
 

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If current New Japan had a match on the level, depth and drama of 6/9/95 it would get legit 10 stars from this dude :dead: :dead: I'm kinda glad him stanning All Japan and going full retard with it in the 90's didn't reach the levels it's gotten with NJ now.

It's interesting reading the letters in old Observers; some people do complain about Dave overrating AJPW. It definitely happens around late 98 but even in the glory days some people complain that the star ratings are out of hand. Some of those letters are funny though, saw one that complained that Angle won rookie of the year, dude wanted Test to win :heh:
 

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Once you break the scale, then continue to keep breaking it, the scale itself becomes even more arbitrary than it was to begin with. The whole point of a scale is to avoid doing that in the first place. It was just opinion based to begin with so it really never meant anything, but now it aggressively means nothing lol
 

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It's interesting reading the letters in old Observers; some people do complain about Dave overrating AJPW. It definitely happens around late 98 but even in the glory days some people complain that the star ratings are out of hand. Some of those letters are funny though, saw one that complained that Angle won rookie of the year, dude wanted Test to win :heh:

I mean, he did go overboard with All Japan during that time. The company had like 30 five star matches in the span of a decade, but even if people thought he was overrating those matches/style, he at least didn't break the scale and became a glorified stooge for the talent of the company. I'm just wondering how crazy he would've gone in the 90's if he had the mentality and technology he has now :dead:
 

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I mean, he did go overboard with All Japan during that time. The company had like 30 five star matches in the span of a decade, but even if people thought he was overrating those matches/style, he at least didn't break the scale and became a glorified stooge for the talent of the company. I'm just wondering how crazy he would've gone in the 90's if he had the mentality and technology he has now :dead:

I actually think 10 stars for 6/9/95 wouldn't have been out of the question if he had his current mentality back then :heh:

I think 5 stars is the new 4 stars now. Or something.

This is his piece on the G1 anyway

Hiroshi Tanahashi captured his third G-1 Climax title and, while there are still several months and matches to complete, it looks like he will face Kenny Omega for the IWGP heavyweight title in the main event of the 1/4 Tokyo Dome show.

Tanahashi beat Kota Ibushi in the finals on 8/12 at Budokan Hall in Tokyo in a match that many regulars in Japan called one of the greatest matches in the history of the building–which covers an incredible amount of ground. It was a masterpiece of a match, probably Tanahashi’s best ever performance when it comes to fire and being a babyface. Ibushi on that night, and through the tournament, showed that he is one of the most physically talented and greatest in-ring performers of the incredible modern generation.

The match completed a tournament that had incredible high points and a few low points. It’s open to interpretation whether this surpassed last year, which I thought was the greatest tournament in wrestling history. My own belief is that the last three main events of 2017, Tanahashi’s loss to Tetsuya Naito, Omega’s win over Kazuchika Okada and Naito’s win over Omega were almost untouchable.

This year was pretty much the same caliber. They were different. I’d say this year’s three matches were more dramatic while last year’s were more athletic and also more scary. This year’s tournament overall was probably more scary, and that is concerning, but nothing touched last year’s Omega vs. Naito final when it came to scary moments.

Tanahashi went to a 30:00 draw with Okada in the A block final on 8/10. Because Tanahashi came in with a 7-1 record and Okada at 6-2, Tanahashi only needed a draw to win. Tanahashi vs. Okada at this point has to be considered among the greatest long-term programs in wrestling history. Nearly every match has been a match of the year candidate, ironically, perhaps except this one because of what a freaky year this has been. Still, this was a tremendous match with the story that Tanahashi hit the high fly flow to the back, but Okada kicked out, just as time expired.

Tanahashi needed the visual of being strong to go to the final and in theory if he goes all the way to the Tokyo Dome main event. You could argue for the win to make it more clear, but it appears the plan now, based on Tanahashi at the press conference, is to do Tanahashi vs. Okada for the briefcase sometime this fall with the idea of a longer time limit match and thus the draw and not doing the pin makes long-term sense.

So the draw accomplished two things. The first is it leaves an opening for Okada to still be in the title match at the Tokyo Dome, as he’s been every year since 2013. Okada is coming off his record-setting title run, and since losing the title, he has not gotten a rematch. The draw was a surprise, if only because Tanahashi and Okada had draws in their last two G-1 matches, in 2013 and 2016 and you just wouldn’t think they’d do it again. But the key is that in the Tanahashi vs. Okada program, Tanahashi hasn’t beaten Okada since January 4, 2015, and given that pretty much every match that has had a finish has been past the 30:00 mark there is a story there as well.

There was the belief earlier this year that maybe, with Okada becoming the clear major star, that he never would never lose to Tanahashi again. But very clearly, this will be the biggest briefcase match in history.

Since the G-1 tournament has been announced as directly leading to the Tokyo Dome main event, but that the briefcase has to be defended at least once, the G-1 winner has always ended up in the title match. With Okada as the challenger, there is very much a possibility this will be the year to change that predictability. But that’s a tough call, because Tanahashi’s run in winning G-1 and that final win was something special, even by G-1 standards.

While some did figure on Tanahashi winning at the start, I felt Okada and Naito were the favorites because Naito doesn’t have a title (but recognizing Chris Jericho vs. Naito could be at the Tokyo Dome this year) and is still the hottest star in some ways with the buildings filled every night with fans with LIJ merchandise.

Okada is the guy they’ve spent the last few years building as the franchise, moving away from Tanahashi. However, there was something there day one, and all through the tournament. While Tanahashi didn’t have the best matches of anyone (but his performances throughout were still incredible), it was clear that organically from the fans it was his time. It was his Jimmy Connors run, to borrow a dated tennis term, or his Riki Choshu run, dating back to 1996 when Choshu was 43 years old and announced it was going to be his final G-1, and it was evident from day one that he should win. Tanahashi never said that it was his last G-1 to set up that storyline, but the people just wanted the idea of the aging legend to win the big one more than they wanted anyone else. Whether it was luck, or it was manipulated by the promotion by the work and story of the May match where Okada beat Tanahashi to break his record in such a classic, it was the right call. That’s not to say if Ibushi won at the end, after beating Omega the night before, that it wouldn’t be the right call or they wouldn’t have an incredible Dome match, but as much as Ibushi as the underdog guy wanting to hit the peak would be the natural babyface, the opposite was the case. The beauty of having a lot of different stories that are strong is that there is more than one way to make the right decision, but this was the most right on this day.

Omega, as champion, lost three times, once to Tomohiro Ishii in what many felt was the best match of the tournament (and there were many different matches you could argue for that, my pick has wavered but it is Tanahashi vs. Ibushi after first thinking Omega vs. Ishii and Omega vs. Ibushi), once to Toru Yano, in a match where the Tongans interfered and a loss needed to get to the planned end destination, and finally to Ibushi, his best friend and training partner. Omega vs. Ibushi was huge, and drew the biggest next-to-last night crowd in G-1 history. Part of that was it was the larger Budokan Hall, but it has been years since the next to last night sold out the big configuration at Sumo Hall, and it was easily the most anticipated block final match since the mainstream 90s heyday.

Ishii will be getting the next title shot, and Ibushi may get one as well. I can’t see Ishii as champion in the main event at the Tokyo Dome, even coming off his tournament MVP performance for match quality and the storyline tournament of him beating all three singles champions that entered (Omega, U.S. champ Juice Robinson and Never champ Hirooki Goto).

Omega vs. Okada has its history. Omega vs. Tanahashi has almost no history, as they’ve only had one singles match, a Valentine’s Day 2016 match where Omega won to win the IC title that Omega was originally going to win from Shinsuke Nakamura. Since word was already out Nakamura was leaving, they felt it would be better for Omega to beat Tanahashi at that point. They were scheduled to do a program, including the first-ever ladder match in New Japan, but Tanahashi was injured, and by the time he came back, they had moved on. It’s the only “big four” match up that is relatively fresh on the big show stage.

My thoughts would be to give Tanahashi the win at the Tokyo Dome, completing his story with the ultimate happy ending. The key is that Tanahashi’s story to be a success only means he wins it, and it’s not about a long reign. The idea of Tanahashi as champion, defending against Omega in Madison Square Garden, and Omega winning the title on what will really be New Japan’s second most important event of 2019 makes sense on a lot of levels. Of course, there are tons of factors between now and April regarding the company and who signs and who doesn’t that any long-term planning has to have backup plans.

The underlying story of the past week revolves around changes with Harold Meij in control. Meij’s track records in other businesses is strong, running businesses far larger than New Japan successfully and leading them to sizable growth. But pro wrestling is a unique business, very different from the toy business he came from. It’s filled with sharks, and Meij is walking into a fight, whether he likes it or not, with the biggest shark, who is both an unhappy shark but a shark with almost Thanos level powers in this industry. There is also the feeling among some in the company that it has had such great annual growth, really the strongest it has been since the legendary 90s, and the thought is why make drastic changes. But he was brought in for international expansion, and not to play a pat hand.
 

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G-1 was a huge success. The talent and momentum is strong. What happens to the talent in January when contracts expire is huge. New Japan lost Nakamura, A.J. Styles, Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson all at the same time, and grew bigger and stronger, largely due to the ascension of Naito and Omega and Okada becoming a young legend who is already viewed by the general public now as one of the greatest of all-time. If guys leave, there are a lot of guys like Ibushi and Sanada and perhaps even Ishii if his body can hold up, and talented foreigners like Robinson, or guys not even on the roster like Jeff Cobb who would be able to fill slots.

The A block on 8/10 came down to Tanahashi, Okada and Jay White. When Evil pinned White, it eliminated him, so the story was that Tanahashi only needed a draw to win the block. So the story told was that instead of stalling it out and playing the clock, the safe tactic, Tanahashi was aggressive, still going for big moves that left him open until the final seconds. Okada, after losing his first two, won six straight and had a classic match that he didn’t lose, which sets him up for the rematch.

The B block on 8/11 came down to Omega, Ibushi and Naito. Zack Sabre Jr. beat Naito, a key because had Naito won, then Ibushi could not have advanced. Omega and Ibushi came in with ridiculous expectations and there are many who thought they had the best match of the tournament. In the end, having watched the top three matches (Omega vs. Ishii, Omega vs. Ibushi and Tanahashi vs. Ibushi) twice, I now think Tanahashi vs. Ibushi was the best because while all three were better on second viewing, it was the most “better.” This was difficult in the sense they were clearly trying to do a great match, but also seemed to be doing a match with spots people would remember and talk about, hit their time cue, and build to a future match down the line as opposed to emptying the tank with all their big moves. Tanahashi vs. Ibushi on the other hand, which was about laying everything out they could and doing the best they could with no time cue or saving anything.

In this case, Omega would advance with a draw, but two draws would be bad booking. Putting Omega over would give Tanahashi the direct win leading into the Tokyo Dome, if that’s the direction. But Ibushi winning gives you both Tanahashi at the Tokyo Dome but Ibushi getting a title shot at some point, which would likely be a classic match. Also, I believe Omega has never in his career beaten Ibushi in a singles match dating back ten years (much of that time they were partners, so I think this was only their third meeting) so that’s part of the story that is good to keep alive when and if Ibushi gets a title shot. Really all the stories in this tournament and going forward, all based on wins and losses, tells you that while some people overrate wins and losses in booking and they aren’t the end of the world, when used correctly and they are used in storytelling, they are an exceptional booking tool.

The final standings were:

A BLOCK: 1. Tanahashi 7-1-1; 2. Okada 6-2-1; 3. White 6-3; 4. Suzuki and Evil 5-4; 6. Michael Elgin, Hangman Page, Bad Luck Fale, Togi Makabe and Yoshi-Hashi 3-6.

B BLOCK: 1. Ibushi (won block by having a 3-0 record against the other three who tied for first 6-3; 2. Omega, Sabre Jr., and Naito 6-3; 5. Ishii 5-4; 6. Sanada 4-5; 7. Goto, Tama Tonga, Juice Robinson and Toru Yano 3-6.

There was an attempt to protect everyone, in the sense everyone had three wins and a good win to hang their hat on.

As far as quality went, I felt this had more super matches than ever before. The negative, as stated every week, is the ref bumps, interference and low blows got out of hand. If it was one guy, it’s one thing, but it was Tonga, Fale and White. They turned it into a story that if any of the Tongans interfered on 8/11, the last night of B block, the entire crew would be suspended for three months. This led to a tease that they would interfere, and both Meij and Naoki Sugabayashi got involved in keeping them from doing so. Meij also had another on-camera role, in the lone title match of the tour, where Tonga & Tanga Loa & Taiji Ishimori on 8/12 challenged The Young Bucks & Scurll for the six-man titles. It was a non-title match, but the Tongans and Ishimori dared them to put the belts up, they agreed, and Meij, at ringside, approved it.

Meij, new to wrestling and its world of authority figures on camera, evidently got heat on this from social media and he responded by saying he thought the second day (the angle where he was involved at ringside) was too much like American wrestling and that they have to be different. The implication was he’d stay behind the scenes.

My only negative comment, which is funny after talking about the length of WWE shows for the last year, is that I thought the third night was too short. They went just over three hours and there was so much talent on the show that didn’t get any time. The whole show was about the main event, and the main event delivered one of the best matches of the year and really at the level of almost any match held before this year. But up until the main event, it was not a great show and you expect final night of G-1 at Budokan to be a near show of the year. I do think NJPW usually does right when it comes to timing, that two-and–half hours is plenty for a regular show and three hours is good for a bigger show. But New Japan is about great matches with story telling and they need time, so the bigger shows should be able to go four to four-and-a-half hours if necessary given the talent.

The final three nights drew more than any last three nights since the mainstream heyday. Some of that being Budokan Hall is bigger than Sumo Hall, the usual home. The 8/10 show did 6,180 paid fans, which was a huge disappointment for Tanahashi vs. Okada. From those who were there, they said the building was almost full, so they evidently papered a lot. I also heard from people in Japan who said the ticket outlets had no seats at the end. But they announce paid and that number was less than the 7,495 tickets Tanahashi vs. Naito sold at smaller Sumo Hall, which was a sellout based on how the first night last year was set up.

Omega vs. Ibushi drew 12,023 paid, a sellout with standing room. There was a stage and such so they didn’t have the number of seats opened in the All Japan sellout days, or even the 90s set-up when New Japan used the building. Usually the second night of G-1's last three does around 7,500, so this really speaks to the drawing power of Omega vs. Ibushi as much as anything, especially since it sold out in advance and demand got stronger after no tickets were left.

The finals sold out with 12,112 paid. That sold out pretty much instantly. The finals always sellout, except the year they went to the Seibu Dome and drew 18,000 in the baseball stadium, which was obviously considered unsuccessful since they were back to Sumo Hall the next year.

It will be interesting next year when Sumo Hall is available, because that’s the traditional home of the tournament dating back to 1991. But the popularity has grown to where maybe they’ve outgrown it. There were some complaints about the production, in the sense they didn’t light up the crowd and the Sumo Hall shows visually looked like bigger deals. The crowds were on fire in the key matches and as much as everyone raved about the matches that saw them on New Japan World, the difference in ratings from those live was far greater than a normal show, and this includes from people I know well, who go every year, and said the last three main events were far better than the prior year. One person who sees everything and travels the globe for big matches had them as three of the five highest rated matches he’s ever seen.

In the end, both this year and last year sold out 15 of the 19 shows, but this year they ran larger buildings, and in most, but not all buildings, this year drew bigger crowds. The places where last year drew bigger crowds were generally cities where last year’s main event was substantially stronger.

This year’s tour ended up doing 91,291 paid fans, up 13 percent from 80,634 last year. The 2016 number was 74,383 and 2015 was 70,417.

This year I had 38 **** matches out of 91 total, which is an amazing percentage, especially since, unlike last year, a lot of the matches weren’t designed to be what you think of as a great G-1 match. Last year I had 38, because of more great matches on the A and B block final nights, with eight in the final three nights last year and five this year.

Of the three shows, the second night was the best but due to trying to keep the shows around three hours hurt some of the bouts, due to time restrictions when they were more lenient on time last year.

Surprisingly, nothing has been announced for September at press time. The last night of G-1 is usually about angles on the undercard. Aside from the trios title switch, they pushed the Omega vs. Ishii match and teased Okada vs. Rey Mysterio Jr., which isn’t happening, as well as Goto vs. Taichi as a possible Never title match and Juice Robinson vs. Cody for the U.S. title and The Guerrillas of Destiny (Tonga Loa) challenging the Young Bucks over the IWGP tag titles.

Cody said he was sick of reading all the praise of Robinson everywhere and said he was nothing more than someone trying to be Kairi Sane.

The next round of title matches will be distributed over five shows, which are Destruction in Hiroshima on 9/15, Destruction in Beppu on 9/17, Destruction in Kobe on 9/23, the Long Beach show on 9/30 and King of Pro Wrestling at Sumo Hall on 10/8, which is likely to have Omega vs. Ishii and Tanahashi vs. Okada, although it’s possible they may split them up with one on a different show.
 

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There was the belief earlier this year that maybe, with Okada becoming the clear major star, that he never would never lose to Tanahashi again. But very clearly, this will be the biggest briefcase match in history.

I can't believe he'd say this on the very weekend that Braun vs KO for the briefcase will go down :picard:
 

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I wonder who was telling him that stuff, after Okada won at WK this year Dave was also saying they wanted to make Okada the new Inoki, which made no sense :dead:
 

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Antonio Inoki: Balloon Master is a missed opportunity :wow:

A balloon tied to each end of his scarf :blessed:
 

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:francis:The more I read about NJPW recently, I'm glad I stopped sipping the kool aid. On another note, watching Into The Fight 2018.

This Yuko/Shunma match though:whew:. Shunma slowly becoming one of my favorites. Dude got more heart than most young lions :banderas:
 

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It might be just me but those aren't five star matches. Like, those were some really good matches,but not five stars. He throws them around too often. A five star match should be rare..

This is why I'm just judging for myself when it comes down to matches. After 6starzgate, I learned to take Meltz opinions like a bus fart.
 

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Destruction tour is up next for NJPW, right? Do we get televised events for any of those shows leading up to the major show?
 
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