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Beautiful Bobby Eatin

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Actually took the time to hear that, and it was :scust:

Using Nakanishi as an example of "he has had the title, no rush in him getting it back" is just :dead: Nakanishi got a token Thank You title run because Gedo decided to improvise and give Korakuen Hall a special moment after the FantasticaMania tour got cancelled. He was never meant to be champ and even though it resulted in a fun story that gave an interesting twist Tana's first Ace run - the days when Gedo was still creative - Nakanishi never even in the vicinity of being the draw Naito is or as over to warrant a 2nd title run.



The 1 year payoff thing is the exact same shyt people were spewing after WK 9, I honestly can't believe fans that defend the decision don't realize that. Wasting 1 year of booking is NOT worth the wait. WK 13 might be a huge success instead of the flop that was WK 10, but the story being told is exactly the same as just 3 fukking years ago :heh: and we still have no clue if Naito is gonna be injury free or if Gedo even has a fukking plan. There's a balance between long term booking and striking while the iron is hot and running with it, people keep forgetting this isn't the first time his coronation has been delayed, this is the 2nd year. Fans seem to shrug it off thinking Omega vs Okada didn't cockblock Naito the first time, but it did.



The lack of challengers shyt is just laughable. The guy says they shouldn't waste an Okada rematch in New Beginnings, but then says any other challenger wouldn't be a real threat....only to then show Sanada being the next challenger for Okada and not saying shyt about it :dead: Naito didn't need a strong challenger right off the bat. And hell, if you wanted to give him one, book him against Jericho for the belt, now THAT would get even more "mainstream" attention than what he says in #3.


I understand creating the narrative that Naito wasn't ready just like Okada wasn't ready in WK 9. It makes sense kayfabe wise and short term it wont hurt business as both are still draws and New Japan is pretty damn hot. Doesn't make that shyt is interesting to watch and that it was a wasted opportunity to give a much needed spark to the main event picture.
And even on top of this, Naito is 35 already. He obviously isnt going to be the ace Okada is so why are we doing a top guy preparation storyline? And honestly this goes back in 2012 to when he probably should have won the G1 and didnt. Naito has been in a weird holding pattern for a while.
 

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And even on top of this, Naito is 35 already. He obviously isnt going to be the ace Okada is so why are we doing a top guy preparation storyline? And honestly this goes back in 2012 to when he probably should have won the G1 and didnt. Naito has been in a weird holding pattern for a while.

That's a very good point.

Regarding your last point, as much as a big believer in Naito as I've always been, his delayed pushes in 2013-2014 made sense. He truly wasn't ready because he didn't have the popularity, character nor drawing power during those days.

Now, I'd argue that those were the years he should've been given the "Chono turn" instead of 2015 - I think I was even saying it in this thread when he was flopping in 2013 - but that doesn't take away the fact that him not getting a big coronation during that time was probably for the best, I wouldn't call it cock blocking him or delaying the inevitable/right decision as what has happened the last two WKs.
 
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That's a very good point.

Regarding your last point, as much as a big believer in Naito as I've always been, his delayed pushes in 2013-2014 made sense. He truly wasn't ready because he didn't have the popularity, character nor drawing power during those days.

Now, I'd argue that those were the years he should've been given the "Chono turn" instead of 2015 - I think I was even saying it in this thread when he was flopping in 2013 - but that doesn't take away the fact that him not getting a big coronation during that time was probably for the best, I wouldn't call it cock blocking him or delaying the inevitable/right decision as what has happened the last two WKs.
Didnt think Okada was ready when he won either. Not saying he had to win the belt but i guess my point is, these seeds could have been planted a while ago. Holding Goto back is one thing but Naito has been simmering since back then. Dont see why we couldnt have gotten him to bubble especially with what they ended up giving us instead
 

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Didnt think Okada was ready when he won either. Not saying he had to win the belt but i guess my point is, these seeds could have been planted a while ago. Holding Goto back is one thing but Naito has been simmering since back then. Dont see why we couldnt have gotten him to bubble especially with what they ended up giving us instead

Yeah, I mean, the only thing that saved Naito from being Goto was the "Chono turn" and Los Ingobernables :whew:
 

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Didnt think Okada was ready when he won either. Not saying he had to win the belt but i guess my point is, these seeds could have been planted a while ago. Holding Goto back is one thing but Naito has been simmering since back then. Dont see why we couldnt have gotten him to bubble especially with what they ended up giving us instead
He's pumping dumb levels of merch as the chasing people's champ, I imagine there was some office pressure to try to squeeze another year of that out of him and LIJ. Go on the NJPW site, most of their new gear is LIJ.
 

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He's pumping dumb levels of merch as the chasing people's champ, I imagine there was some office pressure to try to squeeze another year of that out of him and LIJ. Go on the NJPW site, most of their new gear is LIJ.

That's backwards thinking at it's finest though, he's not selling merch because he's chasing anything, he's selling because the gimmick is over as fukk :heh:
 

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That's backwards thinking at it's finest though, he's not selling merch because he's chasing anything, he's selling because the gimmick is over as fukk :heh:
Exactly, his gimmick is over and part of his gimmick that resonates with Japanese audiences is that he's raging against a perceived glass ceiling in his workplace. He comes to the ring in a suit like every Satoshi Salaryman who came to the show straight from his hard ass job, sheds it and starts spitting on people. That speaks to them.

they always say when it comes to booking that the money is in the chase, and being so over he's basically a crown-less people's champ. IMO The rebel loses some of his rebellious luster when he already has the top prize. Not even necessarily saying I agree with it just that I can see the logic.
 

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Exactly, his gimmick is over and part of his gimmick that resonates with Japanese audiences is that he's raging against a perceived glass ceiling in his workplace. He comes to the ring in a suit like every Satoshi Salaryman who came to the show straight from his hard ass job, sheds it and starts spitting on people. That speaks to them.

they always say when it comes to booking that the money is in the chase, and being so over he's basically a crown-less people's champ. IMO The rebel loses some of his rebellious luster when he already has the top prize. Not even necessarily saying I agree with it just that I can see the logic.

I think we all see the reasoning behind the decision, we don't agree with it because it's boring as fukk and unnecessary.
 

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I think we all see the reasoning behind the decision, we don't agree with it because it's boring as fukk and unnecessary.
I disagree on both of those counts but aye we all have our opinions and that's gravy.
 
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