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[SubZeroDegrees]

It so obvious Jay White will join or takeover Bullet Club some point. He had Omega Wes Welker look, ffs.

 

[Honga Ciganesta]

That match will be awesome, but why are they denying Ibushi vs Omega at WK?

I think they're sacrificing match quality for name recognition in the US, it's a pretty big deal to bring in Jericho I think and it's getting good traction. They'll have a decent match probably. And I guess it means Ibushi and Omega won't cripple themselves

Bigger building in the US next year

 

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Teases Ibushi/Omega for the dome, delivers Jericho/Omega

46 year old mid life crisis Jericho who has had boring to bad matches with AJ Styles/Cesaro/Kevin Owens/Sami Zayn/Seth Rollins/Neville in the past 2 years finds his newest victim to leach heat from to desperately try to stay relevant, this time in Japan.

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

Omega vs Jericho is nothing to me. And I'm actually not sure it will draw the same or better than Omega vs Ibushi.

And even with that match in the bag, there's no need to make Kota lose the title. He fukking sold out Osaka in minutes for a title change and this lazy fukk continues to do same old shyt. Just like last year, 1 month after the G-1 he does some interesting stuff and then just goes back to his usual self



Another one sees the light, the group is getting bigger

Idk how jericho vs omega is not bigger on a world wide scale??

You telling me only people who watch wwe and most people from the west gonna be more excited for kota vs omega than Jericho?

Why would omega vs kota attract more when people don't know the history unless they are deep into this already?

Seems like a smart business move to pull people from america and so on

 

[Jmare007]

Idk how jericho vs omega is not bigger on a world wide scale??

You telling me only people who watch wwe and most people from the west gonna be more excited for kota vs omega than Jericho?

Why would omega vs kota attract more when people don't know the history unless they are deep into this already?

Seems like a smart business move to pull people from america and so on

I'm not talking about world wide scale, I'm talking about tickets for the Tokyo Dome. Ibushi vs Omega is a bigger match in Japan than Jericho vs Omega.

There's no worldwide drawing in Y2J vs Kenny. New Japan World might get a little boost and more US eyes will be opened to New Japan....so what? NJ could book a regular show with their current roster in the US and draw 7-8k, they don't need more buzz to draw in the States right now.

They basically chose to get social media and internet buzz over a match that was going to mean more money for them and would've established a local star even further.

It's not smart business to pull people from the US when they have still work to do in Japan and they can draw money in the US regardless of Jericho.

I think they're sacrificing match quality for name recognition in the US, it's a pretty big deal to bring in Jericho I think and it's getting good traction. They'll have a decent match probably. And I guess it means Ibushi and Omega won't cripple themselves

Bigger building in the US next year

Man, they could book Naito vs Omega for the IWGP Title and sold out that building if they wanted to. No need for Jericho to cockblock Kota.

shyt, I don't think Jericho did this without WWE's permission - and interest for future business with Omega - BUT if dude was actually available. Book him vs Tanahashi in a non title match for "best in the world", you add that to Omega vs Ibushi and Okada vs Naito and you might actually draw more than 40k paid at the Dome...

But hey, let's just be lazy about it...fukking Gedo

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

I'm not talking about world wide scale, I'm talking about tickets for the Tokyo Dome. Ibushi vs Omega is a bigger match in Japan than Jericho vs Omega.

There's no worldwide drawing in Y2J vs Kenny. New Japan World might get a little boost and more US eyes will be opened to New Japan....so what? NJ could book a regular show with their current roster in the US and draw 7-8k, they don't need more buzz to draw in the States right now.

They basically chose to get social media and internet buzz over a match that was going to mean more money for them and would've established a local star even further.

It's not smart business to pull people from the US when they have still work to do in Japan and they can draw money in the US regardless of Jericho.



Man, they could book Naito vs Omega for the IWGP Title and sold out that building if they wanted to. No need for Jericho to cockblock Kota.

shyt, I don't think Jericho did this without WWE's permission - and interest for future business with Omega - BUT if dude was actually available. Book him vs Tanahashi in a non title match for "best in the world", you add that to Omega vs Ibushi and Okada vs Naito and you might actually draw more than 40k paid at the Dome...

But hey, let's just be lazy about it...fukking Gedo

I'm pretty sure the main event got the tickets covered for the Tokyo dome. I'm pretty sure they love jericho there too and see this as a rare opportunity to watch him wrestle in a new Japan event anyways.

Crowd was chanting y2j n shyt.

I bet they do fine with this card.

Just seems like u salty we not getting omega vs kota

 

[Jmare007]

I'm pretty sure the main event got the tickets covered for the Tokyo dome. I'm pretty sure they love jericho there too and see this as a rare opportunity to watch him wrestle in a new Japan event anyways.

Crowd was chanting y2j n shyt.

I bet they do fine with this card.

Just seems like u salty we not getting omega vs kota

It will probably be the best drawing Dome show in more than a decade. Anything below 35k paid would be a failure imo. I'm just saying that if we compare both matchups, Ibushi/Omega is the bigger match in Japan, they traded a bigger draw for social medial buzz and unneeded (right now) US exposure.

I actually don't care about Omega vs Ibushi quality wise, it would've been a crazy spotfest but it wasn't something I HAD to watch. It has more to do with me wanting New Japan to give Ibushi a push because I want something interesting to happen in the main event scene for once. A once shot Jericho appearance does nothing for me.

I get people being excited about it but besides the novelty of it all, it's not a decision I see having more positives than the original plan (or what looked like it).

 

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I don't get people being excited for it even for the novelty. Jericho has been utterly groan worthy for 5+ years now and previously had a match with one of the hottest and best talents in the world at WM in 2016 and stunk the joint up. Remember AJ having to literally had to stop running and start walking the ropes so Jericho could keep up?

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

It will probably be the best drawing Dome show in more than a decade. Anything below 35k paid would be a failure imo. I'm just saying that if we compare both matchups, Ibushi/Omega is the bigger match in Japan, they traded a bigger draw for social medial buzz and unneeded (right now) US exposure.

I actually don't care about Omega vs Ibushi quality wise, it would've been a crazy spotfest but it wasn't something I HAD to watch. It has more to do with me wanting New Japan to give Ibushi a push because I want something interesting to happen in the main event scene for once. A once shot Jericho appearance does nothing for me.

I get people being excited about it but besides the novelty of it all, it's not a decision I see having more positives than the original plan (or what looked like it).

Kota doesn't like staying with one company right because he likes doing goofy shyt like wrestling with fire crackers and wrestling sumo wrestlers in forests right?

Isn't that the main reason why they don't make him a top star because he's not fully in?

I can see why new Japan holds off on him then

 

[Jmare007]

I don't get people being excited for it even for the novelty. Jericho has been utterly groan worthy for 5+ years now and previously had a match with one of the hottest and best talents in the world at WM in 2016 and stunk the joint up. Remember AJ having to literally had to stop running and start walking the ropes so Jericho could keep up?

I think the appeal is the "WWE star in New Japan" crossover more than match quality.

And people give two shyts about puroresu so just seeing an established name in New Japan's biggest show catches interest.

 

[Jmare007]

Kota doesn't like staying with one company right because he likes doing goofy shyt like wrestling with fire crackers and wrestling sumo wrestlers in forests right?

Isn't that the main reason why they don't make him a top star because he's not fully in?

I can see why new Japan holds off on him then

So instead of drawing as much as possible and freshen things up - even try to elevate people by working with him - with a proven guy like Ibushi, they decide not give him the ball for whatever months he might stay and instead they give the chance to a guy who will definitely not stay past 1 show (Jericho) and doesn't have the same appeal to the Japanese audience?

It's one thing if instead of Kota they chose another local and proven guy, but you can't give me the "he can't commit long term" argument when the guy that's cockblocking him is Jericho breh

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

So instead of drawing as much as possible and freshen things up - even try to elevate people by working with him - with a proven guy like Ibushi, they decide not give him the ball for whatever months he might stay and instead they give the chance to a guy who will definitely not stay past 1 show (Jericho) and doesn't have the same appeal to the Japanese audience?

It's one thing if instead of Kota they chose another local and proven guy, but you can't give me the "he can't commit long term" argument when the guy that's cockblocking him is Jericho breh

Freshen things up? Haven't these guys had matches before? Isn't jericho vs omega consider more fresh since its not the predictable outcome everyone thought we were getting with either oemga vs cody or omega vs kota?

And give the ball to kota how? everyone already knows how talented kota is what eyes does he need to open? Unless you mean give him the ball by beating Kenny but why would they do that when they are coming back to America in march? I know he's Canadian but he's obviously the one people connect with over here.

 

[Jmare007]

Freshen things up? Haven't these guys had matches before? Isn't jericho vs omega consider more fresh since its not the predictable outcome everyone thought we were getting with either oemga vs cody or omega vs kota?

And give the ball to kota how? everyone already knows how talented kota is what eyes does he need to open? Unless you mean give him the ball by beating Kenny but why would they do that when they are coming back to America in march? I know he's Canadian but he's obviously the one people connect with over here.

Last time they faced each other was almost 6 years ago in another promotion when they weren't as big stars as they are now. There's actually a storyline between them, they promised each other they would fight at the Dome one day, on some anime type shyt

Kota draws people wherever he works, trying to make the most money with him by giving him a belt and main eventing shows would be refreshing, yes.

 

[Honga Ciganesta]

Man, they could book Naito vs Omega for the IWGP Title and sold out that building if they wanted to. No need for Jericho to cockblock Kota.

shyt, I don't think Jericho did this without WWE's permission - and interest for future business with Omega - BUT if dude was actually available. Book him vs Tanahashi in a non title match for "best in the world", you add that to Omega vs Ibushi and Okada vs Naito and you might actually draw more than 40k paid at the Dome...

But hey, let's just be lazy about it...fukking Gedo

I'd be down with all that, though I suppose you could say they're building for the future with White, but I imagine Jericho was only going to do the show if he got Omega. I think there's got to be some return deal for this cruise thing Jericho has planned. Can't see Tanahashi air guitar-ing out on the high seas

 

[Jmare007]

I'd be down with all that, though I suppose you could say they're building for the future with White, but I imagine Jericho was only going to do the show if he got Omega. I think there's got to be some return deal for this cruise thing Jericho has planned. Can't see Tanahashi air guitar-ing out on the high seas

I mean yeah, it seems it was Jericho vs Kenny or nothing. But if that was the case, I would've chose "nothing" and stick with the original plan with Kota.

And White could be elevated at the same time as Ibushi, shyt imagine the novelty of building White up so he's the one to beat Ibushi before he goes to do his own thing bah gawd that would be ground breaking booking stuff