Essential Japanese Wrestling Discussion/News

[Max.]

Can u imagine if this was real

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Bork and Minoru wouldn't work at all...now Bata/Bork........whew

 

[Drones]

Just because they have disgruntled ex-WWE guys doesn't mean they've been in a position to use them to taunt the petty ass WWE or even had motivation to do so, as they do now. My whole point is he's worth a shot, we can agree to disagree though fam-a-lam.

And no bullshyt I popped seeing Billy Gunn come out in the battle royale, lol.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Yikes, ya’ll are really in a race to write-off Cody. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. He’s barely done anything on the indies, and he’s a dude who’s essentially been in the WWE system his entire career. Cody had some tremendous tag team stuff with his brother before WWE cut them off for zero reason, his SD heel run where he had actual programs and big payoff matches with people was really good as well.

James Gibson is pretty much the poster boy for “good in the WWE great on the indies” and it took him nearly a year before he got it figured out and started putting in work. There’s only like 3-4 months worth of good work from him at that super high level he was at from the year and a half he was independent.

On the opposite end of that spectrum is Drew Galloway, who surprised everyone hitting the ground running at such a high level.

Point is, this wrestling deal is a craft, and it can take time to figure things out. Let’s let Cody have a real resume as a worker without restraints before we judge him, eh?

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

I actually enjoy Cody's indie run but his NJPW debut was kinda underwhelming. The segment leading to WK where he introduce "The American Nightmare" had me marking out. Once his match started....meh. Hopefully he'll shake things up with the possible idea of him taking over Bullet Club.

 

[stro]

Yikes, ya’ll are really in a race to write-off Cody. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. He’s barely done anything on the indies, and he’s a dude who’s essentially been in the WWE system his entire career. Cody had some tremendous tag team stuff with his brother before WWE cut them off for zero reason, his SD heel run where he had actual programs and big payoff matches with people was really good as well.

James Gibson is pretty much the poster boy for “good in the WWE great on the indies” and it took him nearly a year before he got it figured out and started putting in work. There’s only like 3-4 months worth of good work from him at that super high level he was at from the year and a half he was independent.

On the opposite end of that spectrum is Drew Galloway, who surprised everyone hitting the ground running at such a high level.

Point is, this wrestling deal is a craft, and it can take time to figure things out. Let’s let Cody have a real resume as a worker without restraints before we judge him, eh?

Barely done anything? He's had matches with Chris Hero (probably the MVP of the indies in the last 2 years), Zack Sabre Jr. (one of the more highly acclaimed guys world wide for years), Kurt Angle, Matt Riddle (the next big indie guy), a BOLA appearance, TNA run, Ciampa and Gargano, Will Ospreay, and more....no one has anything to say about any of those matches. They came and went and no one cared at all.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Barely done anything? He's had matches with Chris Hero (probably the MVP of the indies in the last 2 years), Zack Sabre Jr. (one of the more highly acclaimed guys world wide for years), Kurt Angle, Matt Riddle (the next big indie guy), a BOLA appearance, TNA run, Ciampa and Gargano, Will Ospreay, and more....no one has anything to say about any of those matches. They came and went and no one cared at all.

Bruh. Four months is barely anything.

 

[stro]

Not when those four months are pretty much exclusively top stars and top level talent. It's not like he's been doing tiny shows in Duluth.

 

[Jmare007]

Ryback has way more upside on the indies and Japan than Cody, imo. He's at least unique for his era and isn't going to try to have great work rate matches while he's actually painfully average and is discovering he doesn't know how to do any of the stuff he thought he did. Bring Ryback to Big Japan. But he really should have been the new Bullet Club member. Ryback and Omega seems like a pretty good pairing.

That would be dope as fukk Daisuke and Yuji made The Bodyguard and Zeus look like they belonged, and they keep trotting out youngins that show promise. They could to wonders for Ryback.

Too bad they probably have NO money to offer him

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Not when those four months are pretty much exclusively top stars and top level talent. It's not like he's been doing tiny shows in Duluth.

Dog, even AJ's first match with Hero when he was back on the indies was mediocre as fukk, and that's a dude with a DEEP well to draw from. He didn't fully get back in his bag until the summer (and it took him this last summer to get into his zone working in the WWE). Shut, AJ was extra average in BOLA 2014, too, and this is AJ Styles we're talking about. Cody is damn near learning how to wrestle again. I gave you a clear example in James Gibson of a guy who it took almost a year for it to click for him. Took Trent Beretta about the same amount of time to actually figure out what worked for him, and ditto Giant Bernard.

Cody has been working a show here and a show there since his release. Starting now he's going to be working some of the same people in front of the same crowds in the same companies. Now he can learn, experiment, and grow.

Let's make a call after he has a proper body of work to pull from. Four months of barnstorming is not that.

 

[stro]

Cody has 10 years of work to pull from. You can name all of one great match he was involved in. Cody can

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Has Cody ever had a close to 4 to 5 star match throughout his career? Most of his matches seem to come and go. Well his WM 27 match was actually pretty good.

 

[stro]

Cody/Goldy vs Shield is the closest to a great match that he's ever been in. A decent match with Orton and some good matches with Rey. Everything else is exceedingly average. A blur of average.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Oh yeah I forgot about Cody/Gold vs Shield. I love that match.

 

[The Rainmaker]

Cards for The New Beginning

NJPW “Sengoku Enbu -KIZNA- Presents THE NEW BEGINNING in SAPPORO~ Revival! Sapporo Decisive Battle in Snow”, 2/5/2017 [Sun] 15:00 @ Hokkaido Prefectural Sports Center, Hokkai KitaYell

(1) KUSHIDA & Hirai Kawato vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & El Desperado
(2) Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Satoshi Kojima & Yuji Nagata vs. Yoshytatsu, David Finlay & Henare
(3) Katsuyori Shibata, Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask IV vs. Will Ospreay, Jado & Gedo
(4) YOSHI-HASHI vs. Takashi Iizuka
(5) Michael Elgin, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Manabu Nakanishi, Ryusuke Taguchi & Dragon Lee vs. Tetsuya Naito, SANADA, EVIL, BUSHI & Hiromu Takahashi

(6) IWGP Junior Tag Championship Match: [49th Champions] Rocky Romero & Barreta vs. [Challengers] Taichi & TAKA Michinoku
~ 1st title defense.

(7) NEVER Openweight Championship Match: [15th Champion] Hirooki Goto vs. [Challenger] Juice Robinson
~ 1st title defense.

(8) IWGP Tag Championship 3WAY Match: [73rd Champions] Tomohiro Ishii & Toru Yano vs. [Challengers] Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma vs. [Challengers] Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr.
~ 1st title defense.

(9) IWGP Heavyweight Championship Match: [65th Champion] Kazuchika Okada vs. [Challenger] Minoru Suzuki
~ 3rd title defense.

NJPW “Sengoku Enbu -KIZNA- Presents THE NEW BEGINNING in OSAKA”, 2/11/2017 [Sat] 17:00 @ EDION Arena Osaka

(1) Yoshytatsu & Hirai Kawato vs. David Finlay & Henare
(2) Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Satoshi Kojima & KUSHIDA vs. Takashi Iizuka, Yoshinobu Kanemaru & El Desperado
(3) Yuji Nagata, Juice Robinson, Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask IV vs. Hirooki Goto, YOSHI-HASHI, Jado & Gedo
(4) Kazuchika Okada, Rocky Romero & Barreta vs. Minoru Suzuki, Taichi & TAKA Michinoku

(5) NEVER Openweight 6 Man Tag Championship Match: [10th Champions] Hiroshi Tanahashi, Manabu Nakanishi & Ryusuke Taguchi vs. [Challengers] SANADA, EVIL & BUSHI
~ 1st title defense.

(6) Special Single Match: Katsuyori Shibata vs. Will Ospreay (potential British Heavy Defense)

(7) IWGP Tag Championship 3WAY Match: (depending on 2/5 outcome) Tomohiro Ishii & Toru Yano vs. Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma vs. Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr.

(8) IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship Match: [76th Champion] Hiromu Takahashi vs. [Challenger] Dragon Lee
~ 1st title defense.

(9) IWGP Intercontinental Championship Match: [15th Champion] Tetsuya Naito vs. [Challenger] Michael Elgin
~ 3rd title defense.