Essential Japanese Wrestling Discussion/News

[stro]

Yes. He's terrible. He's matches are boring as shyt, he has possibly the single worst finisher in the game, and his promos are direct rip offs of early-mid 80s Flair. The was only after people started caring about him for doing an impression of the Macho Man. And he STILL is stealing Macho spots even after dropping the gimmick.

Lethal ain't shyt. Never has been. Truth Martini makes everything worse, though.

 

[Silkk]

Jay Lethal sucks, though. Brings down the whole group immediately. And that's without even considering the dogshyt Truth Martini. Naito pls.

 

[Silkk]

Yes. He's terrible. He's matches are boring as shyt, he has possibly the single worst finisher in the game, and his promos are direct rip offs of early-mid 80s Flair. The was only after people started caring about him for doing an impression of the Macho Man. And he STILL is stealing Macho spots even after dropping the gimmick.

Lethal ain't shyt. Never has been. Truth Martini makes everything worse, though.

Get all the way the fukk outta here

 

[SirReginald]

Yes. He's terrible. He's matches are boring as shyt, he has possibly the single worst finisher in the game, and his promos are direct rip offs of early-mid 80s Flair. The was only after people started caring about him for doing an impression of the Macho Man. And he STILL is stealing Macho spots even after dropping the gimmick.

Lethal ain't shyt. Never has been. Truth Martini makes everything worse, though.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Jay Lethal isn't terrible, never has been, but he isn't particularly special as a worker or a character. And in reality peaked as a worker in 2005/6 and hasn't been there since. Anyone who hasn't seen him in those days, but just knows him as the Macho/Flair guy from TNA and the ROH champ now I could understand being impressed, but he's not even as good as he once was and even then he wasn't top tier.

And his finish is trash. He's way too big and has lost the athleticism to do that impressively. He needed to throw that in the bushes a long time ago. I think worst of all is he's being booked in a long, epic, "traditional" ROH title reign and he just isn't that caliber of dude. It's also confusing they're doing this when they have Adam Cole (and if any RUMORZ are too believed, not for too long as he has a deal on the table for him at WWE whenever he wants it/contract ends) and they could be getting a classic run out of him now while they can.

 

[Jmare007]

WWE honestly needs a BIG ASS 'deavors season to hit reboot on the main roster and clear space for NXT....

 

[Silkk]

WWE honestly needs a BIG ASS 'deavors season to hit reboot on the main roster and clear space for NXT....

They hoarding EVERYBODY.


Can't wait to watch IA in the morning

 

[Adam3000]

Kushida vs Oreilly from Super Junior Final was the match on AXS TV tonight

It was even better than I remembered. And JR commentary also continues to improve

I'm close to saying 5 stars on this new viewing

Just brilliant....the pace, the variety, the execution

 

[Silkk]

Thought Invasion Attack was today, That shyt 2 weeks away

 

[stro]

Kushida vs Oreilly from Super Junior Final was the match on AXS TV tonight

It was even better than I remembered. And JR commentary also continues to improve

I'm close to saying 5 stars on this new viewing

Just brilliant....the pace, the variety, the execution

I fukking hate O'Reilly's shytty comedy over selling. And his stupid "I'm a bad ass shooter" thing while doing comedy selling and super choreographed strike sequences. reDRagon's double team moves are more convoluted than the Young Bucks'.

Kushida is okay, I guess, though. Still very bland and definitely isn't going to do much to bring NJ's junior division back to the prominence it had in the 90s.

 

[Adam3000]

^^Negged

 

[Cheercomp]

75.00 and they everywhere,footlocker,champs,local boutiques...

My top 100 Greatest Wrestlers Ever, in ring ability being the nª1 - though not the only - criteria

Spoiler

1.- Mitsuharu Misawa

2.- Terry Funk

3.- Ric Flair

4.- Toshiaki Kawada

5.- Jumbo Tsuruta

6.- Jerry Lawler

7.- Stan Hansen

8.- Genichiro Tenryu

9.- Shinya Hashimoto

10.- Jushin “Thunder”Liger

11.- Negro Casas

12.- Kenta Kobashi

13.- Nick Bockwinkel

14.- Randy Savage

15.- Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

16.- Jun Akiyama

17.- Rey Mysterio

18.- Tatsumi Fujinami

19.- Yoshiaki Fujiwara

20.- Akira Taue

21.- Chris Benoit

22.- Riki Choshu

23.- Eddie Guerrero

24.- Satánico

25.- Vader

26.- Ricky Steamboat

27.- Volk Han

28.- Buddy Rose

29.- Bret Hart

30.- El Dandy

31.- Yuki Ishikawa

32.- El Hijo del Santo

33.- Steve Austin

34.- The Great Sasuke

35.- Billy Robinson

36.- William Regal

37.- Barry Windham

38.- Kiyoshi Tamura

39.- Kerry Von Erich

40.- Shinjiro Ohtani

41.- Sgt. Slaughter

42.- Chris Jericho

43.- dikk Murdoch

44.- Yoshihiro Takayama

45.- Daisuke Ikeda

46.- Daisuke Sekimoto

47.- John Cena

48.- Andre The Giant

49.- Fit Finlay

50.- Hiroshi Tanahashi

51.- Ted DiBiase

52.- Shawn Michaels

53.- Curt Hennig

54.- Keiji Mutoh

55.- Arn Anderson

56.- Giant Baba

57.- Terry Gordy

58.- Harley Race

59.- Bob Backlund

60.- Mick Foley

61.- Masato Tanaka

62.- AJ Styles

63.- Steve Williams

64.- dikk Bayer The Destroyer

65.- Bobby Eaton

66.- Jack Brisco

67.- KENTA

68.- dikk Togo

69.- Bill Dundee

70.- Tully Blanchard

71.- Kensuke Sazaki

72.- Ricky Morton

73.- Kurt Angle

74.- CM Punk

75.- Owen Hart

76.- Kazuo Yamazaki

77.- Masanobu Fuchi

78.- Jim Duggan

79.- Michael Hayes

80.- Samoa Joe

81.- Jake Roberts

82.- Ruck Martel

83.- Nigel McGuiness

84.- Dutch Mantell

85.- Antonio Inoki

86.- Shinsuke Nakamura

87.- Rick Rude

88.- El Generico Sami Zayn

89.- Yugi Nagata

90.- Cesaro

91.- Yoshiaki Yatsu

92.- Triple H

93.- Jerry Blackwell

94.- Chris Hero

95.- Austin Aries

96.- Low Ki

97.- The Rock

98.- Carlos Colon

99.- Roderick Strong

100.- Dynamite Kid

Biggest regret: Verne Gagne. I think he could've rated high if I had more footage and time.

Very interesting list. For curiosity sake, can you explain for reasoning for the placement of the following:

• Jim Duggan
• KVE

 

[Silkk]

I fukking hate O'Reilly's shytty comedy over selling. And his stupid "I'm a bad ass shooter" thing while doing comedy selling and super choreographed strike sequences. reDRagon's double team moves are more convoluted than the Young Bucks'.

Kushida is okay, I guess, though. Still very bland and definitely isn't going to do much to bring NJ's junior division back to the prominence it had in the 90s.

Don't like Lethal, O'Reilly, and Kushida?

Who do you like, The Big Show?

 

[trick]

Don't like Lethal, O'Reilly, and Kushida?

Who do you like, The Big Show?

I like all three, but I get what he's saying...it's not real, but a lot of the American juniors make no attempt to make it look legit at all. It's fun at first, but after a while spamming moves just doesn't cut it. Especially since they've been doing the same type of matches for l2 years plus now outside of the Best of the Super Juniors. Not entirely their fault, It's Gedo's fault for booking them in the same matches over and over again. Kushida is the truth though, he should not be doing matches with Young Bucks at this point...breh should be feuding with Shibata or Ishii right now

 

[Silkk]

I like all three, but I get what he's saying...it's not real, but a lot of the American juniors make no attempt to make it look legit at all. It's fun at first, but after a while spamming moves just doesn't cut it. Especially since they've been doing the same type of matches for l2 years plus now outside of the Best of the Super Juniors. Not entirely their fault, It's Gedo's fault for booking them in the same matches over and over again. Kushida is the truth though, he should not be doing matches with Young Bucks at this point...breh should be feuding with Shibata or Ishii right now

Kushida is the only NJPW guy(aside of Liger) that i really don't care to ever have on my screen. Sick of his bytch ass holding the jr heavyweight belt hostage and never doing anything memorable. ROH should've made him & NJPW drop that shyt to ACH