Ja Morant takes a shot at the media’s apparent MVP-bias for Jokic (“it’s obvious [who] they want”)
My punctuation was off, I was talking about Westbrook. Harden was the only other serious MVP candidate that season. Jokic doesn't have the narrative of a 2017 Westbrook to be sitting the top-2 spot for MVP candidacy as a soon to be seventh seed.
Philly - 49 wins
Bucks - 46 wins
Nuggets - 47 wins.
You really out here trying to split hairs making it seem like they have significantly greater records than Jokic, especially when the Bucks have a worse record now? Again, it begs the question, why are you centering this around Jokic being the only one who's ahead of Booker on a team with a worse record?
That's why I mentioned seeding. Jokic doesn't have 47 wins playing in this years Eastern Conference and is probably in the 10-11 spot like Trae Young.
I'm not ignoring it; the continued success of the Suns once CP3 went down completely dispelled that narrative and it was transferred over to Book, who was putting up better numbers than CP3 before and after his injury.
It's up to the voters to correct that and place him in the top three with both Giannis and Embiid. Jokic can still be top 5, he's just not above Book.
What do you mean he doesn't have the narrative that Westbrook did?
A narrative is made up. A narrative is essentially meaningless. A narrative is not an accurate measurement of what happens on the floor.
Jokic's play this season is 1000000000000x better than Westbrook's in 2017, so why do you have such an issue with him being in the conversation, and not Westbrook who actually ended up winning MVP all because folks wanted to award him because he hit an arbitrary mark of box score stats? If he averaged 9 rebounds and 9 assists (instead of 10 rebounds and 10 assists), he wouldn't have been MVP. Essentially he won MVP because he averaged one extra assist and one extra rebound, that he blatantly hunted for throughout the season. Yet here you are taking an issue with a narrative about a dude who's having one of the best seasons in NBA history with the bare minimum help.
How did it "completely dispel" it when the Suns also had continued success when Booker was out with COVID earlier in the season (they're 8-3 without him this season)? The Suns have been winning at a great rate when CP3 was out and when Booker was out. You don't see how that may affect Booker's MVP chances when he was out and the Suns kept on winning with CP3? Going by your logic, wouldn't that "completely dispel" the narrative that Booker was the MVP of the team too? You keep on going on about past criteria and guidelines, but when has there ever been an instance where one player on a team was seen as the #1 guy for most of the season, only for the narrative to change right near the end of the season onto another player on the team that ended up being the MVP?
This whole thing of trying to force Booker into the conversation is bizarre. His name only started being brought up in March - right at the end of the season. Narratives are created and gain traction long before then.
The Bucks have only won two more games than the Nuggets; Jokic has been without his #2 and #3 options all season, whereas Giannis has had Jrue and Khris. Why does Giannis deserve to be in the top-3 over Jokic? I can almost guarantee right now, if the roles were reversed, and Jokic had Jrue and Khris, and Giannis was without his #2 and #3 options, yet the Nuggets only won two more games, you'd be using that against Jokic, and arguing that Giannis should be ranked ahead of him.
And as I said, there's no precedent to switch the narrative from one player to another player on the same team near the end of the season. Only a month ago, the Suns had the #1 record, and nobody was talking about Booker for MVP, so it's completely unrealistic to then expect a brief stretch without CP3 would result in Booker having a narrative that would put him in the conversation, particularly when the Suns were still winning at a dominant rate when Booker wasn't playing earlier in the year.
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As a sidenote: if Jokic had Jrue and Khris, they'd probably win 70 games.
desjardins
Veteran
I’m just tired of the narrative that pre Harden sixers had a way better roster than Denver
Maxey playing well but cmon. Then there the fact the team had a lot of people out with covid off and on
Maxey playing well but cmon. Then there the fact the team had a lot of people out with covid off and on
He pretty much had the same roster. So that means he just got MVP for being healthy.
Not really. Boozer and Noah missed like 55 combined games his MVP year, so he was carrying that team to wins while the team was banged up. His stats also took a dip that following season due to playing through injuries.
So we award MVPs to players carrying teams
Harden ruined Embiid’s chance at winning MVP, and he’ll ruin his chance at winning a ‘ship too.
JodyHiighroller
Superstar
They won't like this.
Flex Grossman
Funky
LMFAO I been trying to stay out of all of this but if this ain’t the worst take Ive ever seen on this site
The west has a better overall record than the East this year. They also have the top two teams. And it was top 3 before Steph went down. Of the bottom 5 teams, 3 are in the East.
The nuggets having a worse record if they played in the East is laughable enough, but having a record 7 games worse is just delusional
We still running with the notion Giannis is the frontrunner or?
Its still Embiid nikka like it been most the season
Jokic bench and Bones turnin into Steph saved him from an L he deserved when Joel outplayed him bad in that critical matchup.