J Dilla aka Jay Dee is the most underrated "Hip Hop" producer of all time

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Dilla almost got rode out on a rail for Beats, Rhymes, & Life. Even his work with The Pharcyde on Labcabincalifornia had been criticized

But that was a tough period for Hip Hop, especially if you had been deep into the early 90's sounds. Things were changing and no one really understood where it was all headed to. Heads wanted another Midnight Marauders or another Bizarre Ride and that just wasn't for the times. Stakes is High was critically panned when it dropped now its everybody's go to De La album

Things didn't get better for him until first his work with Common, then Fantastic Vol. 2 which blew everybody away

Agreed,

Tribe was in another world with Low End and Midnight Marauders and to a lot of people Beats Rhymes and Life was look at was as a disappoint to an extent. Because that's just how great The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders was. As well as The Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde. Heck, I still prefer Bizarre Ride over Labcabin although I still think Labcabin was cool.

Co sign on that De La record too. Because back in the day Stakes Is High wasn't viewed in the same as the first few De La albums produced with Prince Paul were. Now it gets a lot of shine though.

But Hip Hop and the competition was stick and cats were really breaking ground with their work. It was a great time but a very different time from today.
 

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This.

Like Q-Tip said recently at RBMA, Dilla has so many fans who say they "love" Dilla just because they think they're supposed to say that. People who hadn't even heard of him before he died. He's easily got more bandwagon fans than any other producer in the history of Hip Hop.

I went to a Boiler Room party where Questlove was just spinnin' straight Dilla beats all night, and there were so many posers in there actin' like they loved dude so much. Have a conversation with them, they don't know shyt about the guy. Underrated, is the last thing he is.

so true. it's because there are some big producers who quote him as an influence, and all these fukkboy bedroom beatmakers just hop on the bandwagon and say they are dilla fans, when in reality they don't know shyt. damn shame.

that being said, i don't think he's underrated... don't think he ever sought out to be chart topping hype as a producer as say mike will is now. like someone said, those who know, know and that's most important.
 

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how many classic songs did he give us? not saying he wack, but the nut hugging he gets from questlove and corny questlove like disciples is amazingg. he aint just the goat but he is by far the goat in their opinion . im like, how many of these dude songs is in heavy rotation. how many classics that everyone know. he's like the Big L of producers, cats swear he the goat but the facts aint back it up.
 

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how many classics that everyone know. he's like the Big L of producers, cats swear he the goat but the facts aint back it up.

Runnin
The Light
1nce Again
Didn't Cha Know
He executive produced D'Angelo's entire Vodoo album
The album was very meh but Find A Way was great

those are just some of them most heads probably know

I say it whenever these sort of threads pop up, non-producer heads don't get it. It's not just "Questlove disciples" pretending he's a GOAT. Guys from Madlib, Pete Rock, Premier to DJ Spinna, 9th Wonder, and Kanye etc have all put him in that discussion. Common talked about Dr. Dre being literally giddy at meeting him when he moved out to LA in 04. There's a lot of bandwagon fans, yeah, but the ones that go out and buy heaps of vinyl and are about this life know and appreciate who he was and what he did.

Sucks we lost him when we did, and the stuff that never materialized that he put together. There was gonna be a Nas-Jay Electronica Dilla produced album. Two more albums at least of Jaylib material. Drake has said before he would have put him all over his albums. There was supposed to be this:

[ame=http://soundcloud.com/bboldt/notorious-b-i-g-the-ugliest]Notorious B.I.G. - The Ugliest [Produced by J. Dilla] by BBoldt on SoundCloud - Hear the world[/ame]

As legend has it in 1996 Dilla produced a track known as “The Ugliest” for frequent collaborator Busta Rhymes on which The Notorious B.I.G. dropped a guest verse. Only problem was this was during the ongoing and increasingly hostile Bad Boy-Death Row rift, and B.I.G.’s verse flagrantly went after 2Pac. Busta apparently wasn’t too keen on the idea of getting caught up in the beef, and despite an attempt by Puffy to buy the beat from Busta for B.I.G.’s use, the song—which, incredibly enough, was also to feature Nas—never reached completion as originally conceived. Later, B.I.G.’s verse would be resurrected (sans Jay’s beat) for his posthumous Born Again album on the song "Dangerous MCs."

Breh's not "Big L" at all. His career lasted 11 years and spanned hundreds of production credits. He was also never really comfortable with being "famous", he took the Madlib route: "I don't make music for people, I make music I like". There was that story about The Roots being at the Grammys for their nominations from Things Fall Apart, they invited Dilla out b/c of his contributions all over the album and he turned them down to sit in his studio, watch it on TV and work on beats.

EDIT: the "hate he got for Labcabin and Stakes is High is asinine too. The tracks he produced on the former were Runnin (classic), Drop (classic), Bullshyt (one of the best on the album), Splattitorium (dope), and Somethin' That Means Somethin (not as great as the others but beat is wooo). His She Said remix blows away the album version too. The only track he produced on Stakes is High was the title track, the rest was entirely produced by De La.
 

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i like Dilla's music but he was never my favorite producer. i guess some sounds resonate with others more. i love the very organic almost grainy vibe to his sampling and overall production but i don't think he's the GOAT. it's just my opinion tho...nevertheless...talented and musically missed.
 
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Here's the thing, Dilla has a shyt load of underground fans, but he's still a relative unknown to many. This is crazy considering the gigantic worldwide influence he had. Dilla's influence play a big part in the Japan and UK hip-hop movement. The only other hip-hop artist that equals him in worldwide influence is 2Pac. Yet Dilla is still very unknown here.

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I like Dilla, never understood the hype to much, till this day i still say Madlib is levels above him even if he didnt make a chart topper.

now from a beat makers perspective i know why people like dilla, them beat tapes are a good blueprint, even though Dilla's beats can be abit boring.
 

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Used to be a huge Dilla cockrider :manny:

He's got a lot of incredible music, but now I ride for Cachemist
 

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I’m about to start reading Dilla Time. Has anyone got a link to the Dilla Beat Tapes? Would like to be able to listen to them before, during, and after reading the book.

:feedme:
 

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I’m about to start reading Dilla Time. Has anyone got a link to the Dilla Beat Tapes? Would like to be able to listen to them before, during, and after reading the book.

:feedme:

There's a gang of them bro, I'll post a few of my favs here







Tried to cover a bit of every era but there's so many. Lots of stuff on one of those channels if you look through the related
 

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I understand and respect the talent, but I feel like he's forced into GOAT convos. Like, with other producers, you know certain work put them into those conversations. Like, Dre has Chronic (and even if you remove Chronic there's Doggystyle and other albums you could put there), Marley has Ain't No Half Steppin' and Mama Said Knock You Out, RZA has 36 Chambers and the solos from Wu members. Premo has iconic songs on Nas, Biggie, and Jay Z debuts on top of the Gangstarr, Group Home, Jeru The Damaja stuff. I could go on. With J. Dilla, I don't see that. Not saying that he isn't great, but when people say GOAT or even Top 10, I just can't put him over a lot of producers that I consider Top 10. He's more Top 15-20 to me.
 
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