It's Really Hard to Be a Good Guy With a Gun

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Its for defense against the state, which has a looooong history of f*ck sh*t.

What you're saying, is we can't win, so lets remove our weapons and accept whatever lies ahaed. I'm saying, they will have to kill me

So just say that you're willing to sacrifice thousands every year for the vague possibility of an armed rebellion in the future. Don't try to be a fakkit and dance around the issue.

 

[DEAD7]

Dawg I know you trolling hard on this one....

I was actually as I typed "helpless victim zones".


But I do think gun free zones are silly, and that there is a motive here other than saving lives...

 

[Serious]

I was actually as I typed "helpless victim zones".


But I do think gun free zones are silly, and that there is a motive here other than saving lives...

I'll concede on the gun free zones being, silly because if people ate willing to rob an internet cafe for chump change than nothing is sacred:

This is like a model case of.concealed carry....

 

[DEAD7]

So just say that you're willing to sacrifice thousands every year for the vague possibility of an armed rebellion in the future. Don't try to be a fakkit and dance around the issue.

A quick glance at history(and current events) forces to me to ask, what so crazy about anticipating govt. fukkery? My bad, you didnt say that... why do you consider govt. fukkery a "vague" possibility?

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

A quick glance at history(and current events) forces to me to ask, what so crazy about anticipating govt. fukkery? My bad, you didnt say that... why do you consider govt. fukkery a "vague" possibility?

I'm not paranoid. The government is comprised of people. Granted, there might be some high-level fukkery but there is a limit to have far that can go and how publicly that can be done. Its in no one's interest to enslave the population of the most powerful nation on earth whose economy is based on consumerism. It would be a net loss for everyone involved that could even possibly orchestrate whatever scenario you have in your head. Added to this is the fact that if this were to happen and the military were backing it (which they wouldn't), people would have no power to stop it.

So, when I do a cost-benefit analysis of this situation, keeping the public armed produces no benefit and thousands die every year. We have the most guns in the world and the most gun violence. The solution to the problem is most definitely not more guns. Not only is this relationship completely intuitive, but anyone who denies is has to have some kind of deep bias. If you're willing to admit that it exists and you're willing to keep in in place because you think it will stave off government fukkery, then at least you're being more honest than the average gun nut. Just remember, when you talk about your rights and all that other force bullshyt you throw around when its convenient, you are supporting a situation where peoples' right to life is being violated daily. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer not to be murdered.

 

[DEAD7]

you are supporting a situation where peoples' right to life is being violated daily. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer not to be murdered.

I'm being reactive, as I think the law should be(maximizing freedom). I think guns and all drugs(just to be clear) should be legal, and that the actions taken by individuals with a gun or on a drug should be punished accordingly.
This isnt an acceptance or endorsement of murder(right to life violation)... and I don't want to argue it, cause that will give the claim more validation than it deserves.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

I'm being reactive, as I think the law should be(maximizing freedom). I think guns and all drugs(just to be clear) should be legal, and that the actions taken by individuals with a gun or on a drug should be punished accordingly.
This isnt an acceptance or endorsement of murder(right to life violation)... and I don't want to argue it, cause that will give the claim more validation than it deserves.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this.

So is it guns should be legal because you want maximum freedom for yourself or is it because they are a deterrent from government tyranny? It seems like I press one of those arguments and you skate right back to the other one. Either way, you are saying that you are willing to have thousands die so that you can enjoy your freedom to own a gun. This is a practical outcome of your belief system, so don't hide behind your ideology. The selfishness and ridiculousness of this position cannot be understated.

Good day, sir.

 

[Blackking]

yeah and people still run red lights

normal members of society don't stop at stop signs n shyt............ usually nothing happens.

Only Criminals with guns ... (when the rest of society is restricted) is dumb as fukk and does not deter, prevent, or 'control' shyt.

my first 3 guns were illegal..... my 1 legal one was a stupid fukking process to get.. i couldn't even get it the same day. ijs. You look at the stats, and tell me how gun control will prevent crime, guns, violence, or anything.

 

[Blackking]

Gun control =/= Banning all guns

But I do support stricter gun laws, such as banning the sale/manufacture of assault weapons. Because really...why the full does a civilian need some semi-automatic shyt? And I'd support stricter/universal background checks, in particular mental health checks and check on whether the person buying a gun lives with someone with a history of mental health issues.

it's only a mental health issue. not a gun issue

and some people are gun enthusiast. So why shouldn't they be able to take their custom AR to the range?

And don't you live in Detroit...... the problem is already beyond 'control'... so many people have AK's and other semi and auto rifles who live the street life.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

it's only a mental health issue. not a gun issue

and some people are gun enthusiast. So why shouldn't they be able to take their custom AR to the range?

And don't you live in Detroit...... the problem is already beyond 'control'... so many people have AK's and other semi and auto rifles who live the street life.

@ everyone being so black and white in their beliefs. Its a complex world out there and there can be multiple issues fueling the same problem.

 

[acri1]

it's only a mental health issue. not a gun issue

and some people are gun enthusiast. So why shouldn't they be able to take their custom AR to the range?

And don't you live in Detroit...... the problem is already beyond 'control'... so many people have AK's and other semi and auto rifles who live the street life.

I was born and raised in Detroit, don't live there right now.

And yeah, there are a lot of cats walking around with AKs and shyt, and there will always be guns in the streets, but that doesn't mean that reducing the number of guns made wouldn't be a good thing. You can never completely control shyt, but I think in the long run it would be good to have less guns in circulation.

Mental health is one thing, but a mentally ill person can't shoot somebody if they don't have a gun. Background checks and fewer guns manufactured in general would at least make less likely for a mentally ill person to get a gun.

 

[DEAD7]

So is it guns should be legal because you want maximum freedom for yourself or is it because they are a deterrent from government tyranny.

Both, simultaneously

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Both, simultaneously

Great, so, as I've shown, you're selfish and delusional.

The essence of the libertarian movement, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[superunknown23]

it's only a mental health issue. not a gun issue

What a dumb argument.
There are crazy people everywhere but America is the only place in the world where they've always had such an easy access to guns.

 

[King Poetic]

i've been a gun owner for 5 years and i would run for cover first and check my surroundings u have no idea how many shooters there are man or woman

i dont care how much training u had shooting and how many contest u won u never had that paper sheet or deer ever shoot back at u.

think first