It's really amazing how Arab dudes keep their women so loyal.

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Nah, I think it's more than that. Some of the westernised ones could easily go elsewhere and they would be fine but still stay loyal.
"Honor" violence, shunning, disowning, exile, getting shipped back 'home', and even 'honor' killings happen in Western countries. (Scarily enough in the US at least it isn't just people from the "Muslim World" with these practices).
Then you've got all the cultural and ethnic stuff. Loyalty, family, community, sticking with one's own and even prejudice and bias that makes people (moreso more recent folks) more likely to stay in-group.

(CBS) Three years ago, Razan Fayez was working as a family law attorney at the Tahirih Justice Center, a Virginia-based non-profit organization that helps women and children around the world who are fleeing forced marriages, so-called "honor violence," and genital mutilation in places like Togo and Pakistan find safety in the United States.

But things changed one Wednesday morning when Fayez got a call from an attorney working with a women's shelter in Texas.

The shelter, said the caller, needed advice on how to help a 16-year-old girl who had run away from home because her parents were about to send her overseas to enter a forced marriage. Now, said the caller, the parents were threatening to sue the shelter if they kept the girl.

"I remember feeling an overwhelming sense of urgency," says Fayez. "If she goes off to be married against her will, she'll be raped."

Fayez advised that the shelter could go to court and file an order of protection for the girl against her parents. She scrambled to make connections - child protective services has apparently said they didn't want to get involved in a "cultural issue," remembers Fayez - but it was for naught. When she came to work the next Monday, the attorney for the shelter said the girl had gone back to her family.

Two weeks later, the center received another call, this one by a woman trying to figure out how to save her step-daughter from female genital mutilation.

"I had heard that these things happened in the U.S., but this really opened my eyes to it," says Fayez.

Although many Americans may think that phenomena such as forced marriages and so-called "honor killings" exist only overseas, social service agencies, educators, and a growing number of law enforcement personnel know differently. According to a survey the Tahirih Justice Center conducted of more than 500 social service, religious, legal, educational and medical agencies last year, 67 percent responded that they believed there were cases of forced marriage occurring among the populations they serve, but only 16 percent felt their agency was equipped to deal with the situation.

"We don't have the mechanisms in place here in the U.S. to take care of these girls," says Det. Chris Boughey of Arizona's Peoria Police Department. "What do we do with a teenager runaway? Ninety-nine percent of the time, we take her home. But some of these girls end up getting killed."

Boughey should know. In October 2009, he was the lead investigator in the murder of 20-year-old Noor Almaleki, who was run down in broad daylight by her father who was angry that she had become too westernized and did not want to accept a marriage her father had arranged for her in the family's native Iraq, according to Det. Boughey.

According to the AHA Foundation, a non-profit group dedicated to eradicating religious or culturally sanctioned violence against western women, honor violence "describes physical violence against a woman or girl by another family member for engaging in behavior deemed by the family to be shameful." An "honor killing" is an extension of this violence, taken to the extreme and often involving the participation of multiple family members.
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And if international data is bad, American data is practically non-existent. No national or state agency attempts to collect data on any kind of "honor" violence, including murders. But we know they are taking place in North America. In January, three members of one Canadian family - a father, mother and brother - were convicted of four counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of three of the family's daughters and the father's other wife. The four women's bodies were found submerged in a car in June 2009, and according to the New York Times, police wiretaps recorded the father, Mohammad Shafia, who had brought his family to Canada from Afghanistan in 2007, saying that his daughters had disgraced him by dating and wearing what he thought was inappropriate clothing.

Last month, Phoenix police arrested the mother, father and sister of 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi after they allegedly beat her, restrained her and burned her for reportedly talking to a boy and refusing to enter into an arranged marriage with a 38-year-old man, reports CBS affiliate KPHO. The family, originally from Iraq, pleaded not guilty to charges of suspicion of aggravated assault and unlawful imprisonment. Their next court date is April 18.

On March 5, Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, wrote an editorial that appeared in the Arizona Republic and USA Today saying that Altameemi's beating and Almaleki's death were not isolated incidents in the U.S.: "For every Noor Al-Maleki and Aiya Al-Tameemi, there are hundreds of other cases of honor abuse, from the mild to the extreme, that are often brought on by things like dating, drinking, dressing "immodestly" or rejecting Islam," wrote Jasser.

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"The women in these cultures don't own their bodies," she told attendees at the symposium. "Their sexuality is a commodity and it's of high value which is owned by their families." If a young woman refuses to comply with her father's choice of a husband for her (as Noor Almaleki did) "this strips the father of his honor...Fathers will kill their daughters over this."

AHA and John Jay have embarked on research that they hope will lead to greater understanding, awareness and ultimately prevention of honor violence in the U.S. They've taken cues from the United Kingdom, which is ahead of the U.S. when it comes to studying and addressing this issue. According to Nazir Afzal, the Director of the Crown Prosecution Service, there are approximately 12 honor killings in the U.K. each year, and most of the victims of honor violence are women between 15 and 24 years of age.

But thanks to women like Jasvinder Sanghera, a survivor of forced marriage and the founder of Karma Nirvana, an organization for victims of forced marriages and honor violence in the U.K., women in Great Britain now have somewhere to turn. Karma Nirvana operates a hotline to connect women to social services and in 2007 they helped get the Forced Marriage Protection Act passed by the country's Parliament.

Armed with the research John Jay is gathering, and with the help of Sanghera - who is interviewed in Saturday's 48 Hours episode - AHA is hoping to develop the same resources for women living in America.

"Now, when a girl goes to police or her school counselor and says, 'My dad wants to kill me because a boy sent me flowers,' to Western ears it sounds like she's exaggerating," explains AHA's Parker. "But we have to leave our cultural assumptions at the door and take her seriously."
 

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Was looking at this Vice show and the Pakistan dudes throw acid on their wives face for the simplest shyt. Real fukked up and then they are exiled for their disfigured face, usually considered worthless. And the dude gets no punishment.
It seems more cultural than purely religious, It's rampant in India, Cambodia, Nepal, Vietnam, Laos, China too. Something creepy going on in South Asia. :scusthov: Almost exclusively domestic violence against women... where other places mix it up with gang violence, property and business disputes, male on male, female on female... damn, guess cat fights and fisticuffs are passe :patrice:
 
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Was looking at this Vice show and the Pakistan dudes throw acid on their wives face for the simplest shyt. Real fukked up and then they are exiled for their disfigured face, usually considered worthless. And the dude gets no punishment.

I honestly think bed wenches deserve an acid bath myself.

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No Arab women are getting stoned to death in the West.

I've never even heard of a case where that happened. Even in the Middle East, stoning is actually very rare. Don't let sensational headlines fool you.

I think it's more to do with social norms.

Those guys have never left the US. They're just regurgitating shyt they see on TV.
 

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This isn't true in the West. I lived around Arabs in Canada. By and large don't risk their lives to kill off their disloyal women in the West. What they do instead is install an a culture which is against their women dating out in the first place, both culturally and religiously. I hence call it the "Three Stages of Arab Control":

1. Religious Indoctrination
2. Racial Supremacy
3. Shame


1. First, Arabs cultivate loyalty in their women through Islamic indoctrination from birth. In Islam, a Muslim woman can only date another Muslim. In real life they means only Arab guys and East Africans, partly eliminating cacs, blacks, Hispanics, etc. Furthermore the Arabs teach natural female subservience and obedience to men through the use of the hijab and Quran. This breeds yet more obedience to Arab men, whom are the central figures of the Quran and the masters inside Arab women's homes too. By way of this contrivance, the Arab woman begins to conflate the Arab man's misogyny with God's holy word!

2. Second, the Arabs install anti-[insert race] aspersions into their women, while the cultural and religious indoctrination pushes pro-Arab aspersions. For example, Arab guys call black people "abeed", which means slave, and employ other means of racial denigration such that the women come to believe non-Arab races of men are inferior. This propaganda doesn't work as much with white men (since they rule society) but it works really well with black men, Asian men, etc, whom the Arab guys can cast are variously inferior to them.

3. Third, the Arabs shame their women. They shame all the women who date out and come up with devious ways to do it. The men isolate, ostracize and socially pillory the women.


All of this plus if they got a lil dough then threaten to cut off that trust fund like jews
 

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Even as an Arab myself some ancient Arab culture is downright
:scust:

But once again, it is the gulf Arabs doing this stupid shyt and it's disgusting

The Arabs of Levant that have some Western influence don't do that shyt, and our women are WAY better looking and independent
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and to all the retards saying Islam....this has NOTHING to do with Islam. Stay in school folks.
 

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Again I'm mostly focusing on those in western countries, not in the Middle East.

And where are their parents from? Aunties? Uncles? Grand Parents? :jbhmm:
My parents are fine with me marrying a black American, but I'll be lying if I said that there isn't extreme pressure from them to marry an Igbo from Igbokwu

There's layers to this breh, trust me:wow:
 

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I know plenty who go with white people, there's a few who had acid thrown in there face because of it
 

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Islam is not about conforming to other societies but making other societies conform to Islam.......They would see no problem carrying out punishment as it states in the Quran according to it's laws. Their ultimate goal is to make every person in the world conform to Islam. Sharia law........
 

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"Honor" violence, shunning, disowning, exile, getting shipped back 'home', and even 'honor' killings happen in Western countries. (Scarily enough in the US at least it isn't just people from the "Muslim World" with these practices).
Then you've got all the cultural and ethnic stuff. Loyalty, family, community, sticking with one's own and even prejudice and bias that makes people (moreso more recent folks) more likely to stay in-group.


For any of the coli muslims i have a close friend who has a situation similar to this post but in reverse. He is an african muslim from Gambia and his pops pickes his wife in an arranged marriage. Fast forward to now after 4 kids and like 12 years together she got westernised. Got a job at a hairdresser with some ratchet coworkers who schooled her to the power of pu$$y.

She been cheating on him with a jamaican neighbor but instead of whooping her ass he moved from his nice neighborhood building to the hood in yonkers where there are hungrier wolves. She stopped wearing the head gear, rockin tight clothes, working late and disrespecting dude to the point he had a nervous breakdown and is now in st vincents hospital about to lose his job because he came into work on his day saying jews were trying to kill him in the parking lot

:ohhh:

Now before all of this he said if he told her father what she was doing they would send her back to Gambia and kill her and he dont want that because the mother of his kids yada yada but i thought he was joking!
 
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