No, this just makes you look like you did not follow the argument. Both @bk and I clearly broke down Reb's poor "argument." It was transparent, and nothing was novel about it. If this thread was an attempt to get away from from Brady vs. Manning then he never would've mentioned Brady's name. He tried a slight of hand of bigging up Bellichick while quietly asserting that Peyton was superior to every other QB in the NFL and that his struggles vs. Bellichick should be mitigated because Brady would struggle against this God coach too. Outside of that, there was nothing original in his post and nothing he said was anything that hasn't been stated at any point during the last 30 years.The people getting into this inane debate about whether or not Manning is an OC are missing the point. This thread would carry the same message if it were titled "it's about manning vs belichick" instead of "its about manning the OC vs Belichick the DC."
Notice in this thread no one is disputing whether or not Bill Belichick is literally a defensive coordinator. Patriots clearly have a defensive coordinator. Obviously Belichick is a defensive minded head coach who probably has a heavy hand in how the Patriot's gameplan/operate on defense but he's not the defensive coordinator.The same premise is true for Manning. Obviously Manning isn't literally an OC. Lets say we conclusively prove Manning isn't an OC, just a QB. Does that make the central point of this thread any more true/untrue?
The hilariously ironic thing is the reason people get so gassed up over Manning being called an OC is because they take it as a slight against other QBs. Mainly Manning's contemporaries like.....Brady! It's really jsut further fueling the Brady vs Manning narrative that this whole thread is trying to GET AWAY FROM. I quoted a couple of posts to show what I mean:
A lot of it is coming down to a desire to demonstrate that Brady does just as much on/off the field as Manning does...when that argument is completely irrelevant to the actual point of the thread. It actually strengthen's OP's argument that people are too caught up in running the QB vs Qb angle to look at things from a different perspective.
You asserted that "a lot of this is to show that Brady does the same things as Manning" while clearly asserting that Peyton Manning is an OC--basically cosigning Reb. You did a lot of typing to basically that you agree with Reb's post, but none of it disputed a thing bk or I said. There would have been no talk of OCs if HE DIDN'T assert it so I have no idea where you come in deflecting his actions onto us. Last, your head coach-DC argument is misguided. You're attempting to say that titles do not determine what one does, but certain coaches are hired specifically to implement certain systems and to play certain roles. Belli was a DC before he was a head coach and he never fully relinquished those duties. That's obvious. No one ever intended for there to be a distinction between what the defense does and a defensive head coach. It is a distinction without a difference. But to assert that a quarterback, designs his entire game plan for the next week by himself, and then calls all of his own plays and makes his own adjustments (you know everything the OC does) and that only he does this, and no one else, while having no evidence to support this and more evidence to the contrary....is entirely different than asserting that a defensive-minded head coach organizes the defensive strategy. One is documented, the other is a superlative that fans have mistakenly taken literally.
It always offensive STAFF vs. defensive STAFF. The elite QBs get more say in that, but that's a given. I still don't get what inspired this thread.