Its hilarious how everyone is predicting Windows 8/Windows Phone to fail..

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apple makes windows phones and surface pros now!!??!?
we talking bout M$'s crappy product, breh!

i was having an off shoot conversation about "smartphones" in general.

those things are APPS, APPS can be made for droid, apple, and windows. the only reason they are not made for windows is because thats not where the money is...YET for app makers. they dont have enough windows phones in the hands of consumers to make it worth people's while to make these kinds of apps. its not that it CAN't be made for windows phones. it can. not hard at all. these phones are POWERFUL enough. they have duo processors.

HTC Windows Phone 8X
Chipset - Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon
CPU- Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait

we were doing dual cores in like 06 or so in desktops. and that got the job done. so to say ANY SMARTphone with a dual core isnt powerful enough to run like a PC(old one but still good enough). well thats a lie. it is fast enough.

 

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very sure.

Multi-platinum band Gorillaz used StudioMini XL

they used it on an ipad. you can now use that same APP on an IPHONE.
these fools didnt just use it on one song. they made an entire album from this fresh off the ipad. see below to see all the apps they used on the album.

http://ismashphone.com/2010/12/late...or-download-today-what-apps-did-they-use.html




^i aint lying to you.

 

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very sure.


they used it on an ipad. you can now use that same APP on an IPHONE.
these fools didnt just use it on one song. they made an entire album from this fresh off the ipad. see below to see all the apps they used on the album.

What Apps Did Gorillaz Use for Their iPad-Created Album? | iSmashPhone


1) Built in mic | Record on iPhone iPad with StudioMini

^i aint lying to you.

Yeah as a tool. Just like some producers use an iphone/ipad to add extra banks to a mpc.

But to mix/master a full song a smartphone cannot accomplish that task anytime soon.

 

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Yeah as a tool. Just like some producers use an iphone/ipad to add extra banks to a mpc.

But to mix/master a full song a smartphone cannot accomplish that task anytime soon.

truth is, it doesnt have to "MASTER" anything. thats why you send it to a pro to a mastering house. sure you can fool yourself into believing you are mastering something when in reality you are just tweeking the eq's a bit. you need a perfected sound room to actually master anything properly. so lets leave that for the pros.

NOW. can you MIX a full song? YES. how many tracks? not sure. thats not the question. the question was can you do it? the answer is YES.

you can always bounce tracks and keep melting them into one another to save track space. and save processing power. its been done this way for years when you run out of tracks.

so sorry yes you COULD mix a full song on an iphone.


its not in english but just watch

search the net you can find songs mixed in garageband on an Iphone.

 

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truth is, it doesnt have to "MASTER" anything. thats why you send it to a pro to a mastering house. sure you can fool yourself into believing you are mastering something when in reality you are just tweeking the eq's a bit. you need a perfected sound room to actually master anything properly. so lets leave that for the pros.

NOW. can you MIX a full song? YES. how many tracks? not sure. thats not the question. the question was can you do it? the answer is YES.

you can always bounce tracks and keep melting them into one another to save track space. and save processing power. its been done this way for years when you run out of tracks.

so sorry yes you COULD mix a full song on an iphone.

GarageBand on iPhone 5! - YouTube
its not in english but just watch

search the net you can find songs mixed in garageband on an Iphone.

I know the differences but you were speaking like these are the exact same products found in studios. Now you're saying that it's not. Why can't I take my phone to a mastering studio and have them go from there?

FL Studio Mobile is a toy, StudioMini was an experimental project that Albarn used while on tour. They're just tools at this point, useful tools but they won't be able to replicate the full DAW experience. There's nothing wrong with that because you can make music with anything that can make a sound.

 

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I know the differences but you were speaking like these are the exact same products found in studios. Now you're saying that it's not. Why can't I take my phone to a mastering studio and have them go from there?

FL Studio Mobile is a toy, StudioMini was an experimental project that Albarn used while on tour. They're just tools at this point, useful tools but they won't be able to replicate the full DAW experience. There's nothing wrong with that because you can make music with anything that can make a sound.

what is a "STUDIO?" in today's terms? a laptop/desktop with a soundcard/audio interface. thats it. you dont need anything else to produce music. now if you want to record a vocal/instrument(s). you may need a mic and something to plug that mic into.

now all you need is the software vsti'(virtual instruments) thats if you dont have a real instrument(s) or if you just want the vsti sounds. and a software to track this stuff and mix it.

all those things are available on the iphone RIGHT NOW. i just proved it to you.

FL studio mobile is not a toy. you can make songs with it as well.


^that dont sound like a toy to me.

you must not understand who you are dealing with. i'm old enough to remember when people would come thru my house with old school 4 track recorders. and if you realllly knew what you were doing, you could put together an entire album using that. i'm not talking the digital ones either. old school TAPES.

but with pc's/macs you were finally able to create music without to much of a delay using virtual instruments. and record your vocals while its playing. then sync it up. and bam. you have a full SONG.

game over. thats it. the same level or processors we use to use in the early 2000's are in your new smartphones friends. now would i prefer a bigger screen and a legit laptop/desktop/mac daw. SURE. but thats cause i'm oldschool. i dont know any better. let me be 16 to 18 yrs old right now. i would probably be banging out hits on my iphone 5.

FL Studio Mobile is a digital audio workstation available for iOS devices such as the iPad, the iPhone, and iPod touch. There is a separate HD version for iPad 1 and iPad 2.[2][3] Image-Line has announced they are developing a version for use on Android.[4]
The program allows for the creation of complete multi-track music projects, which can then be exported in WAV format, MIDI format to work with other digital audio workstations, or in .FLM project format to be opened in FL Studio 10.0.5 [5] or later. Various features include a step sequencer, piano roll, keyboard, drum pad, track editor, effects, and 133 sampled instruments including synths and drum kits.[4][6] Instruments can also be added as .zip or .instr files.[1]

java(programming language) made these kind of apps possible. but also the power in these smart phones made it all work.

 

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I think they are too far gon as far as the public sector goes. Everybody i know threw away their Blackberrys a long time ago.

MS current strategy will be copied by iOS and Android.

Lol WP8 is a new product about what 5 months in. People in here are stupid with their failure predictions like MS was supposed to just take over a market as soon as WP8 got released. It'll take time but MS is doing a great job.

Everyone threw their BB's away a long time ago? But yet, BB is still #3 in the market and very close to 10% of marketshare.

You say WP8 is a new product with 5 months in, but BB10 is barely 2 months in and have been selling internationally like hot cakes, not to mention they have way more apps and a better ecosystem then WP8 and the core of the OS is in several mobile devices (QNX). How can you wave off one OS and in the same breath big up the next OS, when WP8 is behind BB10 is pretty much all areas (ecosystem, security, marketshare, etc etc).

 

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what is a "STUDIO?" in today's terms? a laptop/desktop with a soundcard/audio interface. thats it. you dont need anything else to produce music. now if you want to record a vocal/instrument(s). you may need a mic and something to plug that mic into.

now all you need is the software vsti'(virtual instruments) thats if you dont have a real instrument(s) or if you just want the vsti sounds. and a software to track this stuff and mix it.

all those things are available on the iphone RIGHT NOW. i just proved it to you.

FL studio mobile is not a toy. you can make songs with it as well.

Trance Music 2012 Fl Studio mobile Iphone 4 - YouTube
^that dont sound like a toy to me.

you must not understand who you are dealing with. i'm old enough to remember when people would come thru my house with old school 4 track recorders. and if you realllly knew what you were doing, you could put together an entire album using that. i'm not talking the digital ones either. old school TAPES.

but with pc's/macs you were finally able to create music without to much of a delay using virtual instruments. and record your vocals while its playing. then sync it up. and bam. you have a full SONG.

game over. thats it. the same level or processors we use to use in the early 2000's are in your new smartphones friends. now would i prefer a bigger screen and a legit laptop/desktop/mac daw. SURE. but thats cause i'm oldschool. i dont know any better. let me be 16 to 18 yrs old right now. i would probably be banging out hits on my iphone 5.



java(programming language) made these kind of apps possible. but also the power in these smart phones made it all work.

And none of what you said refutes my point that these phones apps don't come close to a full scale DAW and won't for some time. I never said that music couldn't be made on them or that they are better or worse than old school recorders and samplers.

 

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And none of what you said refutes my point that these phones apps don't come close to a full scale DAW and won't for some time. I never said that music couldn't be made on them or that they are better or worse than old school recorders and samplers.

lol you still dont get it.

DAW?

A digital audio workstation (DAW) is an electronic system designed solely or primarily for recording, editing and playing back digital audio. DAWs were originally tape-less, microprocessor-based systems such as the Synclavier. Modern DAWs are software running on computers with audio interface hardware.


uhhh thats exactly what that FL stuido mobile is. it can do pretty much what the normal one can do. sure it may not have ALLL the features. but you have ENOUGH features to the point where you can make PROFESSIONAL music with it. you can record VOCALS with that irig mic connection or the other thing i showed above. its a legit DAW friend. for todays era. i used back in the day to make a point. to say you didnt need everything in a big studio to flesh out legit material.

 

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While were on the topic of Microsoft failures, how many fukking phishing email do this fukkers let through. God damn I must get like 5 a week. I'm seriously thinking of shutting down my hotmail account.

 

[StatUS]

lol you still dont get it.

DAW?

A digital audio workstation (DAW) is an electronic system designed solely or primarily for recording, editing and playing back digital audio. DAWs were originally tape-less, microprocessor-based systems such as the Synclavier. Modern DAWs are software running on computers with audio interface hardware.


uhhh thats exactly what that FL stuido mobile is. it can do pretty much what the normal one can do. sure it may not have ALLL the features. but you have ENOUGH features to the point where you can make PROFESSIONAL music with it. you can record VOCALS with that irig mic connection or the other thing i showed above. its a legit DAW friend. for todays era. i used back in the day to make a point. to say you didnt need everything in a big studio to flesh out legit material.

The point is you would be hustling backwards to use a striped down version of something just because it "might be professional." Now if you do like most people and use it sketch out ideas before importing into the real deal then that's fine. There's nothing advanced about cpu daws but they are leaps better than mobile counterparts.

 

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The point is you would be hustling backwards to use a striped down version of something just because it "might be professional." Now if you do like most people and use it sketch out ideas before importing into the real deal then that's fine. There's nothing advanced about cpu daws but they are leaps better than mobile counterparts.

who said they were not LEAPS better? i didnt. i SAID, these smartphones are so powerful now they can be used like older computers. that means what you could do with a 05 computer, you can do with these phones. someone lied and said that these phones were not powerful enough. thats not true. i could produce music in 2005 on my giant desktop i built in like 04. just like i can produce music with my suped up laptop that i bought in 2010.
NO smartphone can touch my 2010 laptop. not even close. but it sure as heck can rival my big daddy 05 desktop. and that was made for music personally by me. i'm saying you can do more then sketch with the mobile version. you can make FULL SONGS to your liking. you just need to know how to pull it off. its just like people that were up on the mpc1000 early in the game. if you ask them there was no other way to make hiphop. but yet older heads were still rocking with their old faithfuls pushing out actual hit records.

as long as you can put in a midi note, and the sound quality of the vsti is legit and you can sample or Use samples. its all based on that quality. not the size of the machine. and like i said, if push comes to shove, just bounce tracks if you're afraid of to many tracks lagging out your smart phone. this was the same thing you had to do in even some really nice daws a few years ago.

its good enough bruh, stop fighting it.

 

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who said they were not LEAPS better? i didnt. i SAID, these smartphones are so powerful now they can be used like older computers. that means what you could do with a 05 computer, you can do with these phones. someone lied and said that these phones were not powerful enough. thats not true. i could produce music in 2005 on my giant desktop i built in like 04. just like i can produce music with my suped up laptop that i bought in 2010.
NO smartphone can touch my 2010 laptop. not even close. but it sure as heck can rival my big daddy 05 desktop. and that was made for music personally by me. i'm saying you can do more then sketch with the mobile version. you can make FULL SONGS to your liking. you just need to know how to pull it off. its just like people that were up on the mpc1000 early in the game. if you ask them there was no other way to make hiphop. but yet older heads were still rocking with their old faithfuls pushing out actual hit records.

as long as you can put in a midi note, and the sound quality of the vsti is legit and you can sample or Use samples. its all based on that quality. not the size of the machine. and like i said, if push comes to shove, just bounce tracks if you're afraid of to many tracks lagging out your smart phone. this was the same thing you had to do in even some really nice daws a few years ago.

its good enough bruh, stop fighting it.

Breh you sound retarded and clearly don't know the difference between x86 and ARM based processors.

 

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Breh you sound retarded and clearly don't know the difference between x86 and ARM based processors.

sorry i dont sound retarded. the point was proven.

if your cell phone is powerful enough to create music(come up with ideas, produce it, mix it, record your vocals).

then its powerful enough to do what your OLD computers were doing, which is writing papers, doing taxes, using spreadsheets, powerpoint, etc.

ANYTHING thats powerful enough to being to record and mix audio and used vsti's is more then powerful enough to do basic at home office stuff that most people use computers for at work or at home.

now i will say this. did i exaggerate the years as far as how old of a computer a today smart phone would rival. the truth is. a good pentium 3 vs 2011's best smartphone . they are about equal in speed.

a pentium 3 as old as that may be. was able to do office work, run server queries at work, be used as a DAW. so your brand new smartphone(windows 8, iphone5, etc) is just as capable of doing those tasks.

there is no fighting that, i just proved it with evidence. and really soon, you will see quadcore processors in these phones.

 

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the only reason they are not made for windows is because thats not where the money is...YET for app makers. they dont have enough windows phones in the hands of consumers to make it worth people's while to make these kinds of apps.

exactly...and how do you get phones in the hands of the people!??!
you need apps! you need app makers to take the risk because they see the future of windows phone....or you pay them in advance to make the apps.


in 2013 with ios and android domination app makers will not take a risk. people want apps before the phone! 2007/2008 the risk would have been taken with windows phone before the user base was in place.


M$ has to convince app makers. once again....1/2 baked ideas by M$, right?!?! If you think you product is the sh!t amidst the establishment of apple and google....you payola! you payola! you incur an upfront loss/cost and get the money back and then some later! M$ needs to realize hardware and OS potential ain't gonna sell you a lot of phones. PAYOLA PAYOLA PAYOLA....if you think your product is da sh!t!!!