Stop selectively reading. If the TV deals made it so nothing anyone does matters, then we wouldn’t have a NXT UK. NBA teams aren’t watching Big 3 games scouting old man talent. WWE already had Omega and the Young Bucks all over their social media and website promoting them and clearly tampering trying to sign them.
It’s crazy how Roman killed the WWE
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Stop selectively reading. If the TV deals made it so nothing anyone does matters, then we wouldn’t have a NXT UK. NBA teams aren’t watching Big 3 games scouting old man talent. WWE already had Omega and the Young Bucks all over their social media and website promoting them and clearly tampering trying to sign them.
So what’s SD’s excuse? Why, even with Bryan fully back and Styles on top, are their numbers down even more than Raw’s if Reigns is the one to blame for everything?
The reality is WWE has created a company where no one matters, pretty much everyone is interchangeable, and the product they’re putting out has no appeal outside of niche fans. Roman could be fired today and not a single thing would get fixed... with the new TV deals, honestly, nothing probably has to in the McMahons’ minds.
The reality is WWE has created a company where no one matters, pretty much everyone is interchangeable, and the product they’re putting out has no appeal outside of niche fans. Roman could be fired today and not a single thing would get fixed... with the new TV deals, honestly, nothing probably has to in the McMahons’ minds.
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cartierhoe
Veteran
Exactly, the WWE hasn't given me any reason to watch their product in months. I'm not gonna sit there glued to the TV at 8:00 hoping and waiting for something to change in my favor. I used to be that guy that would tune in as soon as possible, hoping I could see atleast ONE good segment during the whole night. fukk that. At what point is complaining and still watching gonna get old? If the WWE isn't entertaining us in the form or fashion you want them to then why keep tuning in? Roman or not, the product will still be terrible. They just got a big bag, they not changing shyt any time soon.No not at all.
Fans have a choice (as they do with any other form of entertainment)
watch...or don't watch
But acting like an insider and trying to "determine" who should win based on the arbitrary system of "I like X...I don't like Y...so X should win and Y should jump off of a cliff" is silly as fyck
people take "wrestling" so serious...it's LESS believable than Breaking Bad or The Walking Dead. It's literally grown men and women coming from the same backstage area in their underwear, play fighting in the ring, for meaningless belts meant to resemble boxing titles. There is no point in trying to be a "smart mark" or getting so upset that "Vince chose Roman...I hate Roman... Braun doesn't need the briefcase." etc. because it's literally a TV show. It's incredibly easy to turn it off if someone is that worked up by it
"be sheep and accept mediocrity" is such a silly statement for an optional thing like entertainment. If you don't like the Mike Myers movie "The Love Guru" (a terrible less than mediocre movie) you don't have to watch it. You don't have to be a fan of it. No one is forcing you to watch it. We use these terms and these feelings like the WWE is a your only form of entertainment. If you don't like it now you can turn on the network and watch re-runs. You can watch PWG, ROH, NJPW, AAA, Lucha Underground, etc. etc. You can choose to watch any other "sport". If the product is mediocre, no one is forcing anyone to "be a sheep and accept it", you have all of the right in the world to opt out.
The issue (specifically with that statement...and this ties to my original point) is that we feel "entitled" to better. It's not going to get better, so why complain? They aren't going to crown YOUR or MY favorite wrestler champion tomorrow, so why care to the point where it matters personally? They aren't going to put Vader in the HOF before his death, or give black wrestlers more appropriate gimmicks, or (insert gripe), or any other thing that you or I think they should or should've already done.
(I know that part of the camaraderie of being a wrestling fan is complaining, but hopefully you can decipher what I'm saying)
I see your point...but The reaction of the crowds have always factored in the decision making of pro wrestling thoughIf anything ruined wrestling it’s honestlythe fans who feel entitled. People think they are insiders because they use words like “book, heat, kayfabe” and forget they are watching a TV show. Could you imagine fans chanting “You deserve it” to Jake the Snake while he’s trying to cut a dark promo
These fans watch with their own agenda and figure that “well I pay and I watch...the boss should listen to me and people who think like me” when literally no form of entertainment is like that except for singing competitions like The Voice. Sports aren’t like that... if your team loses they losemusic isn’t like that... if you don’t like an artist you don’t support them and they don’t go hunt you down for your opinion. TV isn’t like that... you don’t watch the show and it either stays on or gets cancelled.
The entitlement of the wrestling fan is far worse than RR.
I see your point...but The reaction of the crowds have always factored in the decision making of pro wrestling though
There is a difference between the crowd reacting to a bad guy (throwing trash booing etc.) and then being excited when a good guy wins the title VS. the crowd feeling entitled that THEIR favorite deserves to win a title.
The loss of "suspension of disbelief" is one of the main reasons that none of these guys can really get booed anymore.
I just wanna preface this by saying I was a huge Reigns fan around two years ago. I still think he’s talented and actually could have been the guy WWE wanted him to be if circumstances were different. I’m sympathetic towards the guy because WWE has completely mismanaged his career.. But damn, Reigns’ relentless push has really taken a toll on the product.
Viewer interest is at an all-time low. Creative has been trash for years at this point, imo since WM31. Everything just feels like a conduit to get Reigns over. I haven’t watched RAW since 2016 but I’ll tune into all the big PPVS and end up feeling like I wasted my time. It’s just funny to me that a few years ago dudes would say “you won’t stop watching” and there was an element of truth to that but now people really stopped watching. I mean I just saw that the RAW thread has 30 pages
You’re really an idiot
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
Well let's not act like that's a WWE thing. New Japan has tampered with talent for a long ass time too, it's just how the business works
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
I see your point...but The reaction of the crowds have always factored in the decision making of pro wrestling though
It's a fine line between a promotion MAKING the fans react because they've booked something that's made to get a certain reaction, to a promotion that does whatever and leads to fans booing, cheering or chanting whatever the fukk they want because the promotion has lost all control over them. And that's dangerous because you either end up antagonizing your audience - like WWE does - or fall too far into the rabbit hole of doing whatever your fanbase is telling you to do (when the vast majority of the audience either doesn't really know what they want or are just plain morons).
What @TL15 is saying is true, nowadays fans are more entitled than ever and that makes a promotion's job harder to do. But at the end of the day, if a wrestling company puts on a good product, everything will fall in line and the entitlement will be reduced to a point were the company once again is the one pulling the strings and controlling it's audience to were they want to go/react.
Saysumthinfunnymike
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The "Roman Push" is a big problem at the top of the card but it's not the performer himself. If Roman went away Vince would just attempt to do the same forced narrative with Drew McIntyre or someone else. It's Vince's ideology that's fukked and that's not going to change.
They are so lazy and uninspired. There's nothing going on with the main shows that's even a little bit interesting. RAW was in Boston last night, I didn't go. I didn't even tune in until the third hour and I missed nothing. Stale as ever.
They are so lazy and uninspired. There's nothing going on with the main shows that's even a little bit interesting. RAW was in Boston last night, I didn't go. I didn't even tune in until the third hour and I missed nothing. Stale as ever.
GPBear
The Tape Crusader
the fukk are you talking aboutIf anything ruined wrestling it’s honestlythe fans who feel entitled. People think they are insiders because they use words like “book, heat, kayfabe” and forget they are watching a TV show. Could you imagine fans chanting “You deserve it” to Jake the Snake while he’s trying to cut a dark promo
These fans watch with their own agenda and figure that “well I pay and I watch...the boss should listen to me and people who think like me” when literally no form of entertainment is like that except for singing competitions like The Voice. Sports aren’t like that... if your team loses they lose
The entitlement of the wrestling fan is far worse than RR.
wrestling is all about pleasing the fans and putting fans in seats
99% of the time the bookers control the show, but this is an extreme circumstance where the entire audience is collectively booing the guy
In any other era of wrestling, they would've stopped trying to shove him down their throats.
Fans have a right to be upset after years of being forcefed the same shyt product. If anything, all the WWE's managed to do is contribute to the smark situation, by giving everyone and their mother an excuse to sit around and talk about how they would book the WWE better - because it's obvious for the last several years that it's been eye poison.
And people in here "no one blames the person, just the character/company/vince."
The guy himself is also an arrogant douche who doesn't know how to play a babyface, so he constantly ends up putting his foot in his mouth and saying backhanded shyt about the fans - so a lot of people are left wondering if he's heel/face/tweener or what.
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
For all the people who want to blame fans for why WWE is currently garbage, why do none of the other major promotions experience the same backlash from fans?
You could make a case that ROH listened too much to it's fans in the late 00's and became a shell of it's former self, to the point it never regained the quality it once had
I'm not sure I would support that theory, but there's an argument to be made.
I agree about entitlement...
Roman was marked ever since it was reported Vince favors him big time.
Anyone remember when it was some fans wanting a Sandow main event push?
It was a pretty sizeable amount on WF wanting a Sandow push and were heated when he challenges Cena on Raw and didn't go over
Roman was marked ever since it was reported Vince favors him big time.
Anyone remember when it was some fans wanting a Sandow main event push?
It was a pretty sizeable amount on WF wanting a Sandow push and were heated when he challenges Cena on Raw and didn't go over
the fukk are you talking about
wrestling is all about pleasing the fans and putting fans in seats
99% of the time the bookers control the show, but this is an extreme circumstance where the entire audience is collectively booing the guy
In any other era of wrestling, they would've stopped trying to shove him down their throats.
Fans have a right to be upset after years of being forcefed the same shyt product. If anything, all the WWE's managed to do is contribute to the smark situation, by giving everyone and their mother an excuse to sit around and talk about how they would book the WWE better - because it's obvious for the last several years that it's been eye poison.
And people in here "no one blames the person, just the character/company/vince."
The guy himself is also an arrogant douche who doesn't know how to play a babyface, so he constantly ends up putting his foot in his mouth and saying backhanded shyt about the fans - so a lot of people are left wondering if he's heel/face/tweener or what.
You clearly don't understand the premise of what I said
"The fans have the right to be upset after years of being forcefed the same shyt product" is literally entitlement
If you don't like it, don't watch. No one is "forcefeeding" you anything.
GPBear
The Tape Crusader
And you clearly don't understand how the wrestling business, capitalism, or "entitlement" worksYou clearly don't understand the premise of what I said
"The fans have the right to be upset after years of being forcefed the same shyt product" is literally entitlement
If you don't like it, don't watch. No one is "forcefeeding" you anything.
They don't watch, breh.
Entitlement is thinking you deserve something for nothing, the WWE would not exist without the fans who've been paying customers for years. They invested their time and money.
If McDonalds starts selling a Mcshyt burger, and people who eat there go "Wow this is a really shytty sandwich, can you go back to selling us hamburgers" you'd say they're being entitled and should eat at burger king.
