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good wood shed experience for Wiseman in the paint, he needs some learning like this. must understand he gets no plays for him, he will score from rebounding and rim running, boxing out. That's how you earn your points as a big in this league. His presence on defense was very nice.
 
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He ain’t play in 2 yrs man… let him keep getting his reps and in game action.. I’ll reserve judgement until after next season..
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I understand you wanna hope for the best for him, but look, if you haven't played for an extensive period of time, you still know how to play the game. That never leaves you. Ever. You still know how to make the right reads, where to position yourself, how to use your body; everything that's based on understanding never goes away. shyt like conditioning and shooting takes time to come back to you. Those are elements of the game that you need some time to adjust. And it's not like he hasn't picked up a basketball in the last two years: he's been playing 5v5s, working out with all the players and had his game broken down and rebuilt (well, the process of it anyway).

The problem with him is, something happened during his development years where he was taught to play more like a wing and not a big man. That's essentially what he is - a 7ft wing. He hasn't learned to use his body as a weapon like big men do, that's why he's soft. He doesn't understand how to utilize his size properly to his advantage, and if he doesn't know how to do that at this point in his life, he'll never fully grasp it.

I know a talking point out of this game will be he wasn't getting touches, well, that's because he wasn't screening properly and wasn't putting himself in the right position. On numerous possessions he came out to set a screen, and he leaned in with his arms without actually using his body as a wall and/or slipped too early, which then forced the ball-handler into a dead-end trying to deal with double coverage, which in turn led to far too much congestion in the paint to get him the ball. He tried to post-up multiple times, but was getting bullied out of his spot and took too long to getting an advantageous position. He plays like he hates physicality, and you'll never be anything of note as a big man if you don't bleed physicality.

When he took that fadeaway right near the rim (instead of going up strong at the rim), I nearly threw my laptop across the room.

You compare him to someone like Steven Adams, who if he didn't play for two years, would still come back and just be as effective with his physicality and positioning - it's something that you have or you don't, and unfortunately, Wiseman doesn't.
 
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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
I understand you wanna hope for the best for him, but look, if you haven't played for an extensive period of time, you still know how to play the game. That never leaves you. Ever. You still know how to make the right reads, where to position yourself, how to use your body; everything that's based on understanding never goes away. shyt like conditioning and shooting takes time to come back to you. Those are elements of the game that you need some time to adjust. And it's not like he hasn't picked up a basketball in the last two years: he's been playing 5v5s, working out with all the players and had his game broken down and rebuilt (well, the process of it anyway).

The problem with him is, something happened during his development years where he was taught to play more like a wing and not a big man. That's essentially what he is - a 7ft wing. He hasn't learned to use his body as a weapon like big men do, that's why he's soft. He doesn't understand how to utilize his size properly to his advantage, and if he doesn't know how to do that at this point in his life, he'll never fully grasp it.

I know a talking point out of this game will be he wasn't getting touches, well, that's because he wasn't screening properly and wasn't putting himself in the right position. On numerous possessions he came out to set a screen, and he leaned in with his arms without actually using his body as a wall and/or slipped too early, which then forced the ball-handler into a dead-end trying to deal with double coverage, which in turn led to far too much congestion in the paint to get him the ball. He tried to post-up multiple times, but was getting bullied out of his spot and took too long to getting an advantageous position. He plays like he hates physicality, and you'll never be anything of note as a big man if you don't bleed physicality.

When he took that fadeaway right near the rim (instead of going up strong at the rim), I nearly threw my laptop across the room.

You compare him to someone like Steven Adams, who if he didn't play for two years, would still come back and just be as effective with his physicality and positioning - it's something that you have or you don't, and unfortunately, Wiseman doesn't.
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u can be the biggest wiseman supporter, but you'd be lying if you said the part in bold isnt true. :francis:

His screen-setting is downright awful. One screen he had late-game was a complete slip. literally zero contact made with the defender.

He was in the paint more, so i guess that's a positive.

He takes WAY too many jumpers tho. IDK if it's a disconnect between him and development, but i have to think they're telling him to stop shooting all the time. get in the post and use your ridiculously big body to power thru to the basket. But again, that's big man stuff, which he plainly doesnt do.

He did get 6 rebounds tonight. I guess the ball fell toward him more... (wild ass thing that we have to hope that the ball falls near him enough for him to get a rebound, considering he's 7'1 and 258lbs.)

5 fouls in 21 minutes. i guess once again it's the refs fault for calling ticky tack fouls. that's an average of 6 fouls per game in 20 minutes of play...

He's plainly not a center. IDK what he is, but he's not a center. We're sitting here trying to take victories in a number 2 overall pick setting a screen correctly, or hoping that maybe he can get more than 5 rebounds in a game. it'd be funny if it was someone else's team, but it's not...
 
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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
I understand you wanna hope for the best for him, but look, if you haven't played for an extensive period of time, you still know how to play the game. That never leaves you. Ever. You still know how to make the right reads, where to position yourself, how to use your body; everything that's based on understanding never goes away. shyt like conditioning and shooting takes time to come back to you. Those are elements of the game that you need some time to adjust. And it's not like he hasn't picked up a basketball in the last two years: he's been playing 5v5s, working out with all the players and had his game broken down and rebuilt (well, the process of it anyway).

The problem with him is, something happened during his development years where he was taught to play more like a wing and not a big man. That's essentially what he is - a 7ft wing. He hasn't learned to use his body as a weapon like big men do, that's why he's soft. He doesn't understand how to utilize his size properly to his advantage, and if he doesn't know how to do that at this point in his life, he'll never fully grasp it.

I know a talking point out of this game will be he wasn't getting touches, well, that's because he wasn't screening properly and wasn't putting himself in the right position. On numerous possessions he came out to set a screen, and he leaned in with his arms without actually using his body as a wall and/or slipped too early, which then forced the ball-handler into a dead-end trying to deal with double coverage, which in turn led to far too much congestion in the paint to get him the ball. He tried to post-up multiple times, but was getting bullied out of his spot and took too long to getting an advantageous position. He plays like he hates physicality, and you'll never be anything of note as a big man if you don't bleed physicality.

When he took that fadeaway right near the rim (instead of going up strong at the rim), I nearly threw my laptop across the room.

You compare him to someone like Steven Adams, who if he didn't play for two years, would still come back and just be as effective with his physicality and positioning - it's something that you have or you don't, and unfortunately, Wiseman doesn't.
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Penny did that, there is no excuse for this guy not to have learned basic big man stuff in High School.
 
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