It's a shame how Dr Dre gets credit for so many beats he didn't make.

[Tommy Gibbs]

what I think is hilarious is that because it's not clear exactly what Dre does in totality (but one thing is certain is that he mixes), Dre stans now place mixing on this arbitrary ridiculous pedestal.

Don't get me wrong - mixing is important. But it's nowhere near as important as y'all hold it up to be to celebrate Dre. A badly mixed dope song is vastly superior to an amazingly-mixed, shytty song. plain and simple.

Bob Power wasn't listed as a producer on Tribe's projects for his mixing. Eddie Sancho doesn't have production credits. Bruce Sweiden didnt get production credits on Thriller. Producers are needed. It's what I do. I take musicians and guide them thru the process of creating instrumentals and sometimes structure their beats. But nobody is bringing completed beats to me and Im muting a snare and slapping my name on that shyt. .

 

[DaveyDave]

Dre gave Daz drum programming credit on Rat a tat tat so why would they allow th at simple credit but nothing else? I would have to look at the credits again to see if there were any more but musicians have always been crediged with Dre and he has always acknowledged co producers eg Yella

 

[Turbulent]

By most accounts, Dre is dope. The marketing is sketchy but the liner notes seem to give fair credit.

Playing devil's advocate, here's my question. Dre's name (or more generally, the bigger name) is often used for marketing purposes to sell the record. Those up and coming musicians /beatmakers/producers know the deal when they go under a Dre or another name. Why don't they just try to make a name for themselves instead of selling out their formula and sound? Maybe they know that the same beat without the clout wouldn't be as successful. So they line up for the shortcut. It's not like they are always getting jerked (sometimes they do). But is it Dre's fault people don't read the credits? Geeks like us check for who did what.

Kanye worked under No ID and branched out. But Kanye always props up No ID for all the game he soaked up. Been said plenty of times but there's a difference between making a beat and shaping a song. Also, it's a double edged sword cause i notice when people don't like the beat they don't say MelMan or Hi-Tek fell off. The critics only give the credit to Dre when the beat isn't dope.

 

[JustCKing]

By most accounts, Dre is dope. The marketing is sketchy but the liner notes seem to give fair credit.

Playing devil's advocate, here's my question. Dre's name (or more generally, the bigger name) is often used for marketing purposes to sell the record. Those up and coming musicians /beatmakers/producers know the deal when they go under a Dre or another name. Why don't they just try to make a name for themselves instead of selling out their formula and sound? Maybe they know that the same beat without the clout wouldn't be as successful. So they line up for the shortcut. It's not like they are always getting jerked (sometimes they do). But is it Dre's fault people don't read the credits? Geeks like us check for who did what.

Kanye worked under No ID and branched out. But Kanye always props up No ID for all the game he soaked up. Been said plenty of times but there's a difference between making a beat and shaping a song. Also, it's a double edged sword cause i notice when people don't like the beat they don't say MelMan or Hi-Tek fell off. The critics only give the credit to Dre when the beat isn't dope.

This.

This board has a severe case of crab mentality. Anybody with continued success, posters post the most ludicrous things to downplay it and discredit them. Timbaland and Dr. Dre are two of the most influential producers in music with decades of hits, classics, and other artists and producers they've put on. Yet posters on here will downplay them to big up a Zaytoven or some flavor of the month producer just because they had a so called run.

 

[gluvnast]

One day people are going to understand the definition of PRODUCER and BEAT MAKER aren't one and the same.

 

[Standing on business]

1) OP doesn't know the definition of producer.

One day people are going to understand the definition of PRODUCER and BEAT MAKER aren't one and the same.

The very first sentence in the OP clearly states Dre is a great producer by the main definition. This thread is for people thinking he made all them beats when he clearly didn't.

 

[Grand Eeezus Maxwell]

One day people are going to understand the definition of PRODUCER and BEAT MAKER aren't one and the same.

I dunno, breh....it’s been over 25 years and they still don’t get it lol. Let em drown, fukkem.

 

[beenz]

Tell me more about all of these musicians that Dre and Timbo didn't credit?

From NWA to now Dre has always given credit. The only time he didn't was early Death Row due to Suge, but he then returned the favour to Daz by leaving his name off of Dogg Food completely despite the work he put into that album.

It's the Colis favourite thing to diss Dre but its been proven time and again 90% of these artists were elevated when working with Dre. Where are all of these goat Yella, Mel Man, Batson, Elizondo, Daz, Sam Sneed, Glove etc beats post Dre?

There's a clear difference in the production between Dogg Food and Gang Related / the Daz solo Revenge. That difference was Dre.

Dre worked on dogg food? Could have swore he was damn near out the door when that dropped. From what I understood, Dre took the rest for doggystyle when Daz did most of the production on that as well.

 

[tuckgod]

A slave came up with the recipe for jack daniels

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[JustCKing]

The very first sentence in the OP clearly states Dre is a great producer by the main definition. This thread is for people thinking he made all them beats when he clearly didn't.

Breh, there are people that worked on the songs with Dre that vouch for what he does in the studio. Were you there?

This thread isn't educational at all. It is pretty much a Dr. Dre smear campaign possibly inspired by the fact that a couple of your favorite producers ain't on his level.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

By most accounts, Dre is dope. The marketing is sketchy but the liner notes seem to give fair credit.

Playing devil's advocate, here's my question. Dre's name (or more generally, the bigger name) is often used for marketing purposes to sell the record. Those up and coming musicians /beatmakers/producers know the deal when they go under a Dre or another name. Why don't they just try to make a name for themselves instead of selling out their formula and sound? Maybe they know that the same beat without the clout wouldn't be as successful. So they line up for the shortcut. It's not like they are always getting jerked (sometimes they do). But is it Dre's fault people don't read the credits? Geeks like us check for who did what.

Kanye worked under No ID and branched out. But Kanye always props up No ID for all the game he soaked up. Been said plenty of times but there's a difference between making a beat and shaping a song. Also, it's a double edged sword cause i notice when people don't like the beat they don't say MelMan or Hi-Tek fell off. The critics only give the credit to Dre when the beat isn't dope.

nope, Kanye under NO ID, but he wasn't ghost producing any songs for NO ID. Kanye west is one the Infamous syndicate album.He and NO Id produced some of it thing(prior to rocafella) and there was no credit stolen. Now D Dot(mad rapper) stole some credit from Kanye. Poppa was a player from Nas' Lost Tapes was produced by Kanye but D dot got the credit. If you got on Wikifpedia, they give Kanye credit, but in the inserts, it's all D dot and kanye has addressed that for years.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Dre worked on dogg food? Could have swore he was damn near out the door when that dropped. From what I understood, Dre took the rest for doggystyle when Daz did most of the production on that as well.

he was. He did about 3 tracks for it and Daz did the rest. I aint ever heard dre giving up production credit. Just like people up here, who have never bought cds and still don't, try to give dre credit for AEOM when he only produced 2 tracks on it and one of them was the same instrumental he gave to snoop for his first single 3 years prior.

 

[Waterproof]

The very first sentence in the OP clearly states Dre is a great producer by the main definition. This thread is for people thinking he made all them beats when he clearly didn't.

All the questions you ask about the credit of productions on Dre Tracks, do he make them is answered in my Dre is the Greatest Producer. Lot of information, looking forward to any poster who want to debate

 

[JustCKing]

nope, Kanye under NO ID, but he wasn't ghost producing any songs for NO ID. Kanye west is one the Infamous syndicate album.He and NO Id produced some of it thing(prior to rocafella) and there was no credit stolen. Now D Dot(mad rapper) stole some credit from Kanye. Poppa was a player from Nas' Lost Tapes was produced by Kanye but D dot got the credit. If you got on Wikifpedia, they give Kanye credit, but in the inserts, it's all D dot and kanye has addressed that for years.

You don't know that they because a lot of ya'll assume that co-production credits are ghost producers. Ghost producers are uncredited.

Wikipedia is not a source. Anybody can edit anything on that site. It doesn't make it true.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

You don't know that they because a lot of ya'll assume that co-production credits are ghost producers. Ghost producers are uncredited.

Wikipedia is not a source. Anybody can edit anything on that site. It doesn't make it true.

Kanye wasn't even credited in the inserts for a beat he made. Explain to me what that is called. do you have the Lost Tapes?