Yes, I have a physical copy of The Lost Tapes. D. Dot didn't steal his credits. Columbia failed to credit Kanye. D. Dot spoke on it on the oral history of The Lost Tapes a few months back. Basically, Kanye produced it and D. Dot was the co-producer as he added little touches when he brought the track to Nas. He also helped Nas with the hook because Kanye was never in the studio with Nas during that era.
It's a shame how Dr Dre gets credit for so many beats he didn't make.
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Yes, I have a physical copy of The Lost Tapes. D. Dot didn't steal his credits. Columbia failed to credit Kanye. D. Dot spoke on it on the oral history of The Lost Tapes a few months back. Basically, Kanye produced it and D. Dot was the co-producer as he added little touches when he brought the track to Nas. He also helped Nas with the hook because Kanye was never in the studio with Nas during that era.
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i can't believe people still believe that story. if you want someone to be credited for a beat, they'll be credited for a beat. That nikka D Dot came up under Puff. 50 cent went out of his way to find the producer of the track, "i get money" . Do you know the history of that track? So D dot gave the track to nas and columbia and told him Kanye did it and they accidentally put his name down in the credits. Ok.. hahaha
There is every excuse in the book on this site for when someone gets credit for another man's work, EVEN WHEN THE PERSON IS CAUGHT RED HANDED. You guys will say, "well they got their credit anyway..." Just face the facts that people steal shyt. It's normal. Like Berry Gordy for years getting co writer and production credit for songs on Motown in which he was never even in the studio when they were recorded
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Dr. Dre is a glorified sound engineer. Yes others come to him with a rough skeleton of a track but they are nothing in the realm of sonics without Dre's second hand touch.
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So when it comes to the beat, who should get more credit ? The beatmaker or the producer ?
@Tommy Gibbs breh, what's your take on the whole Dre thing specifically? Are people bugging when they say his 'credit situation' is weird and questionable?
Still waiting on these other Scoop/Dre tracks that are trash?
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I'm not into Scoop or Dre like that. "I Wanna Rock" is my favorite beat of his by far. "The Recipe" is 2nd. And the rest of his production is
from what I've heard.He did Poetic Justice, Slow Down. Calm Down, etc. They were somewhat popular. All of those had Dre's input? Lemme guess: only "I Wanna Rock" and "The Recipe" had Dre's magic touch
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I'm not into Scoop or Dre like that. "I Wanna Rock" is my favorite beat of his by far. "The Recipe" is 2nd. And the rest of his production is
He did Poetic Justice, Slow Down. Calm Down, etc. They were somewhat popular. All of those had Dre's input? Lemme guess: only "I Wanna Rock" and "The Recipe" had Dre's magic touch
Breh you said that Scoop and Dre had made beats that were trash yet have nothing to back up that claim. All I'm asking for is receipts from a comment you made, otherwise don't just make an opinion based on nothing.
You're right. It was an educated guess on my part. Since you claim that Scoop's best work is with Dre, and they have a working relationship, I just assumed that they did more than two beats together.
If that's the case, and Scoop only made two great beats, then it means they made trash together. Some of it maybe saw the light of day, others didn't. After all, Scoop did Poetic Justice and while that beat is trash, I'm assuming Dre was in the picture for that one because of his ties to Ducktales. If so, that means Scoop and Dre definitely made trash together.
I thought you'd know exactly what they worked on together. Can you clarify since you're the Dre fan?
Or is this a case of giving Dre credit for stuff that turns out dope, and then not mentioning Dre when it's not dope to keep Dre on a pedestal?
This is the whole point: it's not clear what songs Dre does and his level of involvement in them. All we know is that he gets all the clout for the great ones, and that shyt is suspect.
Don't have the receipts. It wasn't an opinion based on nothing. It was based on a logical assumption. Key word being 'assumption'. Which I already explained.
Since you're desperate for my opinion and the need to protect Dre, I know you'll focus on me not having receipts to the exclusion of everything else I just mentioned.
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my thought has always been, why didnt they just do it without dre then 
theres a reason 2001 is the best sounding rap album ever made
theres a reason 2001 is the best sounding rap album ever made
You're right. It was an educated guess on my part. Since you claim that Scoop's best work is with Dre, and they have a working relationship, I just assumed that they did more than two beats together. If that's the case, and Scoop barely has anything memorable outside of two beats I like, then it means they made trash together. Some of it maybe saw the light of day, others didn't. After all, Scoop did Poetic Justice and while that beat is yawn, I'm assuming Dre was in the picture for that one. If so, that means they definitely made trash together. I thought you'd know exactly what they worked on together. Can you clarify since you're the Dre fan?
Or is this a case of giving Dre credit for stuff that's obviously dope, and then not mentioning Dre when it's not dope to keep Dre on a pedestal
This is the whole point: it's not clear what songs Dre does and his level of involvement in them. All we know is that he gets all the clout for the great ones
Don't have the receipts. It wasn't an opinion based on nothing. It was based on a logical assumption. Key word being 'assumption'. Which I already explained.
Since you're desperate for my opinion and the need to protect Dre, I know you'll focus on me not having receipts to the exclusion of everything else I just mentioned.
Lol then why stick your head in the convo if you don't actually know the information. Ask the question instead of assuming, you might learn something. And yes Dre mixed "Poetic Justice", the beat is clean but there was no additional production.
Nothing is murky, I know you only got into hip hop after 8 Mile but I've been buying albums and reading liner notes for years, the correct credits are always there when it comes to anything outside of The Row.
And I completely disagree that Dre gets only the clout. Remember when "Under Pressure" with Jay and Dre leaked? It was a big event. Everyone said Dre fell off, yet funnily enough noone mentioned Storch falling off even though he was the co-producer. The biggest name will always garner the attention and acclaim and likewise the critique, that's just how the world works.
Anyway I'm off to a gig, so I'll leave it there. Easy.
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Dre is a sound engineer. Which means his involvement is very clear. He mixes down the beat that the producer made and as Stone Cold Steve Austin would say on his Thursday podcast, "make a chicken salad out of chicken shyt".You're right. It was an educated guess on my part. Since you claim that Scoop's best work is with Dre, and they have a working relationship, I just assumed that they did more than two beats together.
If that's the case, and Scoop only made two great beats, then it means they made trash together. Some of it maybe saw the light of day, others didn't. After all, Scoop did Poetic Justice and while that beat is trash, I'm assuming Dre was in the picture for that one because of his ties to Ducktales. If so, that means Scoop and Dre definitely made trash together.
I thought you'd know exactly what they worked on together. Can you clarify since you're the Dre fan?
Or is this a case of giving Dre credit for stuff that turns out dope, and then not mentioning Dre when it's not dope to keep Dre on a pedestal?
This is the whole point: it's not clear what songs Dre does and his level of involvement in them. All we know is that he gets all the clout for the great ones, and that shyt is suspect.
Don't have the receipts. It wasn't an opinion based on nothing. It was based on a logical assumption. Key word being 'assumption'. Which I already explained.
Since you're desperate for my opinion and the need to protect Dre, I know you'll focus on me not having receipts to the exclusion of everything else I just mentioned.
So... if what Dre has been given is trash he can only do so much to fix it.
The style of Dr. Dre's real production is on his the World Class Wrecking Crew trash and the very first NWA album after that he was outsourcing the production. Dr Dre is a true producer and musician that can recreate the sound/sonics of instruments that he wants for any part. He doesn't learn how to use the instrument just how to manipulate it for the element he wants recreated.
The reason why Above The Law wasn't credited on the second NWA album is that Eazy was pulling fukk shyt and not telling anyone anything about the business side of things so other producers like Yella and Battlecat were not compensated.
Even on the Tha Chronic and DoggyStyle the same thing happened with Suge pulling even more fukkshyt and carrying on the hoodwink that Eazy started that Dre literally solely produces everything.
If you look at the credits now Tha Chronic and DoggyStyle's production credits have been updated and lists the co-producers that Suge cock-blocked.
You notice after Dre is about to leave in 1995 that all of the producers are starting to get their credit and Dre is listed as the co-executive producer like on Dogg Food and All Eyez On Me.
You start to see DJ Quik, Johnny J, Daz, Battlecat, Pooh etc get their just due even 2Pac co-produced with Dre which isn't spoken about much.