It's a shame how Dr Dre gets credit for so many beats he didn't make.

[Waterproof]

Dre is a sound engineer. Which means his involvement is very clear. He mixes down the beat that the producer made and as Stone Cold Steve Austin would say on his Thursday podcast, "make a chicken salad out of chicken shyt".

So... if what Dre has been given is trash he can only do so much to fix it.

The style of Dr. Dre's real production is on his the World Class Wrecking Crew trash and the very first NWA album after that he was outsourcing the production. Dr Dre is a true producer and musician that can recreate the sound/sonics of instruments that he wants for any part. He doesn't learn how to use the instrument just how to manipulate it for the element he wants recreated.

The reason why Above The Law wasn't credited on the second NWA album is that Eazy was pulling fukk shyt and not telling anyone anything about the business side of things so other producers like Yella and Battlecat were not compensated.

Even on the Tha Chronic and DoggyStyle the same thing happened with Suge pulling even more fukkshyt and carrying on the hoodwink that Eazy started that Dre literally solely produces everything.

If you look at the credits now Tha Chronic and DoggyStyle's production credits have been updated and lists the co-producers that Suge cock-blocked.

You notice after Dre is about to leave in 1995 that all of the producers are starting to get their credit and Dre is listed as the co-executive producer like on Dogg Food and All Eyez On Me.

You start to see DJ Quik, Johnny J, Daz, Battlecat, Pooh etc get their just due even 2Pac co-produced with Dre which isn't spoken about much.

Check my Dre thread everything was proven wrong what you said, lots of information in those pages

 

[Standing on business]

my thought has always been, why didnt they just do it without dre then

theres a reason 2001 is the best sounding rap album ever made

Scott storch did

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Check my Dre thread everything was proven wrong what you said, lots of information in those pages

lank it

 

[the cac mamba]

Scott storch did

after the dre guidance

idk breh, im not gonna claim to know what the right answer is here but dre is a legend for a reason

 

[Waterproof]

lank it

It's on the first page Dre hip hop greatest producer

 

[SirBiatch]

Lol then why stick your head in the convo if you don't actually know the information.

Because it's a discussion. I'm trying to learn some shyt. And it's not like I'm completely out of the loop. I have an idea of Dre's work over decades and I've heard multiple Scoop beats. I'm way better than the average poster on that because a) I have background knowledge and most importantly b) I never claim to know shyt I don't know. If I don't know something, I'll tell you flat out. I'm not gonna pretend to know, disappear from the convo and start insulting people out of insecurity.

In fact, this convo has been kinda weird because you're clowning me for not knowing enough and placing yourself as someone who has the info, yet you've rarely mentioned specifics regarding Scoop and Dre's work together.

Ask the question instead of assuming, you might learn something. And yes Dre mixed "Poetic Justice", the beat is clean but there was no additional production.

OK. One specific. And there was additional production in the two great Scoop beats? What exactly did Dre do on those songs? What else have Scoop and Dre worked on together? Cmon breh. Come with it.

Nothing is murky

I know you only got into hip hop after 8 Mile but I've been buying albums and reading liner notes for years, the correct credits are always there when it comes to anything outside of The Row.

Except you don't actually know that and you're totally off Weren't you the guy who just said not to comment on shyt you don't know?

And I completely disagree that Dre gets only the clout. Remember when "Under Pressure" with Jay and Dre leaked? It was a big event. Everyone said Dre fell off, yet funnily enough noone mentioned Storch falling off even though he was the co-producer. The biggest name will always garner the attention and acclaim and likewise the critique, that's just how the world works.

That's cool and all but I thought we were talking about Scoop and Dre. Can we keep the convo focused on that?

Anyway I'm off to a gig, so I'll leave it there. Easy.

Aight breh. So you'll speak more on Scoop/Dre later or you're fleeing the discussion forever? Either is cool. I'm not expecting a response

 

[Standing on business]

This is the whole point: it's not clear what songs Dre does and his level of involvement in them. All we know is that he gets all the clout for the great ones, and that shyt is suspect.

I'll also add to this that there's footage of every known hiphop producer in the studio cooking up beats. I can't find one single video of dre composing, creating a melody, or sampling a beat.

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Scott storch did

People think just producing a beat is all it takes. Mr Dalvin and Missy Elliot are great producers but without Timberland as the sound engineer they are nothing.

Dr. Dre is the reason the album sounds as sonically great as it did then and now. Buy a pair of studio headphones like an Audio Technica ATH-M50X (very affordable) or their flagship open back studio headphones to truly listen to Tha Chronic and 2001 and you'll hear elements you've never heard before. It's the nuances that make a song phenomenal not just the blatant melody.

Fun fact. Did you know Mr Dalvin literally stole the beat for 2Pac's, 'How Do U Want It?' from Timberland's basement where they were recording their demo. I believe they had a falling out for him stealing the song. Then DJ Quik mixed the song down.

So, that means Timberland produced for 2Pac on All Eyez On Me. I think Timberland used a variation of the 2Pac beat on one of his later albums too since it was his I guess which adds more validity to the rumour.

 

[Waterproof]

I'll also add to this that there's footage of every known hiphop producer in the studio cooking up beats. I can't find one single video of dre composing, creating a melody, or sampling a beat.

There's a thing called Twitter how bout you tweet DJ Pooh, Battle Cat, Fred Wreck, DJ Muggs, Quik, Snoop, 50, Kendrick if they seen Dre make a beat and come back and let us know

 

[SirBiatch]

Dre is a sound engineer.

If that's what it is, then we should be having GOAT sound engineer convos. And Dre might be #1.

Producers and sound engineers are totally different things. Maybe I'm wrong. Feel free to educate.

People think just producing a beat is all it takes. Mr Dalvin and Missy Elliot are great producers but without Timberland as the sound engineer they are nothing.

Timbaland's a producer, breh. He comes up with the sounds, ideas, melodies from scratch. From what I know. Am I wrong?

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

@Tommy Gibbs breh, what's your take on the whole Dre thing specifically? Are people bugging when they say his 'credit situation' is weird and questionable?

people from the outside looking in seem to not care about the situation because it's not their works being unacredited for. I was in a similar situation. I had done some work for a group and they wanted to have a big name come in to "produce" the track(though they tracks were finish and I have the skill to do the same thing the big name was going to do in the studio". I told them "no. No one is gonna get credit for my shyt cuz you want a big name to sell your product". Dre does a lot in life and not just in music so I can't discredit his greatness, but he's not the only one guilty of this. Marley Marl has done the same thing too. If you notice how Marley's style changed from Juice Crew to a more polished sound in the 90s? Some guys will not be bitter about it and just love that they got a change to get put on, but then there is pride in some who are like, "a mf is not gonna steal my shyt"

 

[Standing on business]

Hmm storch just posted this. I would love to see some footage of dre putting in work

 

[ThaEruditious]

If memory serves me right, Dre was playing piano live on the Defiant Ones. Look that up on HBO. You're welcome.

 

[ThaEruditious]

Edit: double post

 

[JustCKing]

i can't believe people still believe that story. if you want someone to be credited for a beat, they'll be credited for a beat. That nikka D Dot came up under Puff. 50 cent went out of his way to find the producer of the track, "i get money" . Do you know the history of that track? So D dot gave the track to nas and columbia and told him Kanye did it and they accidentally put his name down in the credits. Ok.. hahaha

There is every excuse in the book on this site for when someone gets credit for another man's work, EVEN WHEN THE PERSON IS CAUGHT RED HANDED. You guys will say, "well they got their credit anyway..." Just face the facts that people steal shyt. It's normal. Like Berry Gordy for years getting co writer and production credit for songs on Motown in which he was never even in the studio when they were recorded

Just because you want someone credited for a beat doesn't mean they are credited. 50 tracking down Apex is a totally different story. Anybody that knows how G-Unit conducted their business in regard to producers knows they did their research because they got their beats via A&R's. The A&R's fed G Unit beats off beat cd's, but didn't disclose the names because 50 didn't want to pick beats based off of a name.

D. Dot didn't just hand Nas a beat and called it a day. Did you even read the post? He was in the studio with Nas and aided in the creation of "Poppa Was A Playa". Kanye wasn't there for the session. Without D. Dot, the world doesn't have a "Poppa Was A Playa". That beat could've ended up anywhere. That's not stealing. Stealing would be D. Dot saying he did everything and Kanye didn't deserve credit for doing the beat.

You're going out of your way to discredit Dre.