Its 2018 & Ja Rule Still Bitter About 50 Cent

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Oh don't even! Do not pretend like i'm the only person who has ever suggested that idea before. For YEARS people were accusing 50 of only having 1 good album, it was probably the most common criticism 50 received outside of the too much beefing complaints. In response, desperate fakkit ass 50 stans tried to meme the Massacre as 50's It Was Written, however, NOBODY bought that bullshyt except for delusional 50 stans like yourself. Once the hype passed and 50 only had his music to stand on, his career went on a decline.

Let's the cut the bullshyt, 50's discography spans from 99-2018 and only the material he released between 99-2004 is held in high regard. No ONE cares about gutter garbage like Curtis or Animal Ambition. I mean, why do you think practically all of the younger artist who say 50 cent was an inspiration can only cite GRODT?
Most artists had a 5 year solid run where everything is received well and then each project thereafter is received well sporadically as time goes on because companies stop the marketing.

It has been tried and tested that the general population's interest begins to wane after 4-5 years, this is why in the West political term cycles are this long. It is all marketing which is why 50 left and went independant.

Ja's run was even shorter so don't get on your high horse.
 

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Oh don't even! Do not pretend like i'm the only person who has ever suggested that idea before. For YEARS people were accusing 50 of only having 1 good album, it was probably the most common criticism 50 received outside of the too much beefing complaints. In response, desperate fakkit ass 50 stans tried to meme the Massacre as 50's It Was Written, however, NOBODY bought that bullshyt except for delusional 50 stans like yourself. Once the hype passed and 50 only had his music to stand on, his career went on a decline.

Let's the cut the bullshyt, 50's discography spans from 99-2018 and only the material he released between 99-2004 is held in high regard. No ONE cares about gutter garbage like Curtis or Animal Ambition. I mean, why do you think practically all of the younger artist who say 50 cent was an inspiration can only cite GRODT?
His mixtape material makes up for it
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if 50 ain't survive them shots ja would be hov status.


Ja and irv easily touching 100 m's if not for fif.


Ja n em think about fif living the way cease think about big dying.
Ja Rule watching Gawdfather achieve more success...

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Most artists had a 5 year solid run where everything is received well and then each project thereafter is received well sporadically as time goes on because companies stop the marketing.
Okay, but 50 didn't have a 5 year run. Massacre came out 2 years after GRODT and while selling amazingly, you could easily see the painting on the wall in 05. The singles were trashed by the culture and the album was welcomed to a mixed response by critics and fans alike. Why do you think that line about "100% pure garbage" by Jadakiss stood out so much, because he said something that was on a lot of people's mind at the time. Tbh, the fact that the culture was siding with the Game and Jadakiss on the beef tip tells you everything you need to know about 50's career trajectory. By the time 07 came around, he was done. HE needed Kanye to carry him so Curtis could move some units.

Ja's run was even shorter so don't get on your high horse.
That's arguable but regardless, the causes for Ja's downfall is drastically different from 50's. The factors that caused Ja to fall out of grace with the culture had to do with him breaking taboos by constantly collaborating with R&B singers and being on the receiving end of 50's slander/propaganda. None of those variables have anything to do with the quality of Ja's music though, hence why R.U.L.E was more successful single-wise and album sell-wise than Blood In my Eye. shyt, one of the few positive things that even Ja haters agree on is that Ja had hits that still knock today.

With 50, you don't have those explanations. The entire culture was in the palm of his hand, fukk it, he was the culture. Therefore, no external actor could sway the culture against him by his second album, only he had the power to fukk up his run that quick and that's what he did by putting out terrible singles, a mediocre album, and having ZERO quality response records for dudes like Jada. Again, why the hell do you think so many people sided with Game when he stated he wouldn't randomly go at Jada and Joe and instead would focus on making good music, it's because everyone felt 50 was doing the opposite.
 
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His mixtape material makes up for it
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Fair enough, just be honest about it though. That's all i'm saying. nikkas acting like Ja said something controversial when in actuality everyone knows that majority of 50's work outside of POAD to Beg for Mercy is low-grade.
 
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Okay, but 50 didn't have a 5 year run. Massacre came out 2 years after GRODT and while selling amazing, you could easily see the painting on the wall in 05. The singles were trashed by the culture and the album was welcomed to a mixed response by critics and fans alike. Why do you think that line about "100% pure garbage" by Jadakiss stood out so much, because he said something that was on a lot of people's mind at the time. Tbh, the fact that the culture was siding with Game and Jadakiss on the beef tip tells you everything you need to know about 50's career trajectory. By the time 07 came around, he was done. HE needed Kanye to carry him so Curtis could move some units.


That's arguable but regardless, the causes for Ja's downfall is drastically different from 50's. The factors that caused Ja to fall out of grace with the culture had to do with him breaking taboos by constantly corroborating with R&B singers and being on the receiving end of 50's slander/propaganda. None of those variables have anything to do with the quality of Ja's music, hence why R.U.L.E was more successful single-wise and album sell-wise than Blood In my Eye. shyt, one of the few positive things that even Ja haters agree on is that Ja had hits that still knock today.

With 50, you don't have those explanations. The entire culture was in the palm of his hand, fukk it, he was the culture. Therefore, no external actor could sway the culture against him by his second album, only he had the power to fukk up his run that quick and that's what he did by putting out terrible singles, a mediocre album, and having ZERO quality response records for dudes like Jada. Again, why the hell do you think so many people sided with Game when he stated he wouldn't randomly go at Jada and Joe and instead would focus on making good music, it's because everyone felt 50 was doing the opposite.
I can’t agree with this on some. I mean, the massacre didn’t have hate it or love it, how we do, but his singles and the massacre isn’t pure garbage. I think it’s a too long album, but not a bad one. Also, 50 kept putting out hits:

Window shopper
I’ll whip ya head
Hustlers ambition
You dont know
I get money
Ayo technology
Party ain’t over
We up

I can’t put any single from before i self destruct or animal ambition, but BISD is a solid album.

Then, mixtapes Like
Return of the body snatchers
Elephant on the sand
Sincerely yours, southside
War angel
Big 10
5 murder by numbers
The lost tape.



Too much good material. 50 is a one dimensional artist with a played out formula, be he is a master on his own when doing the same shyt over and over. That’s why there’s a lot of crap, and a lot o gems through his discography, mixed with high points. There’s no middle ground with him, IMO
 

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Okay, but 50 didn't have a 5 year run. Massacre came out 2 years after GRODT and while selling amazing, you could easily see the painting on the wall in 05. The singles were trashed by the culture and the album was welcomed to a mixed response by critics and fans alike. Why do you think that line about "100% pure garbage" by Jadakiss stood out so much, because he said something that was on a lot of people's mind at the time. Tbh, the fact that the culture was siding with Game and Jadakiss on the beef tip tells you everything you need to know about 50's career trajectory. By the time 07 came around, he was done. HE needed Kanye to carry him so Curtis could move some units.


That's arguable but regardless, the causes for Ja's downfall is drastically different from 50's. The factors that caused Ja to fall out of grace with the culture had to do with him breaking taboos by constantly corroborating with R&B singers and being on the receiving end of 50's slander/propaganda. None of those variables have anything to do with the quality of Ja's music, hence why R.U.L.E was more successful single-wise and album sell-wise than Blood In my Eye. shyt, one of the few positive things that even Ja haters agree on is that Ja had hits that still knock today.

With 50, you don't have those explanations. The entire culture was in the palm of his hand, fukk it, he was the culture. Therefore, no external actor could sway the culture against him by his second album, only he had the power to fukk up his run that quick and that's what he did by putting out terrible singles, a mediocre album, and having ZERO quality response records for dudes like Jada. Again, why the hell do you think so many people sided with Game when he stated he wouldn't randomly go at Jada and Joe and instead would focus on making good music, it's because everyone felt 50 was doing the opposite.
In 2015 50 had 3 platinum singles, 3 platinum singles in 2016, 2 platinum in 2017 and he's already got 2 platinum singles already in 2018 what has Ja Rule done of late? :sas2:

You act like Ja Rule is still relevant.:mjlol:

The Massacre sold more that GRODT so your argument was already flawed there. Your opinion is in the minority as well as Jadakiss or whatever mediocre emcee you wanna throw out there. The fact is worldwide The Massacre did commercially better which is why other than Snoop, 2Pac, Eminem and Biggie, 50 Cent is the most popular. His music is and was well received.

Ja's career failed because he started to make bad music -- end of.


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In all seriousness like someone said ja & Irv could have been hip hop’s first billionaires. If ja wouldn’t have dissed Em & got iovine scared enough to call the feds all over a watch or necklace or whatever. Ja will never get over it neither will irv
 

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He said grodt is his only good album where’s his at? I nvr heard a good ja rule album.:mjlol:
 

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In 2015 50 had 3 platinum singles, 3 platinum singles in 2016, 2 platinum in 2017 and he's already got 2 platinum singles already in 2018 what has Ja Rule done of late? :sas2:
I'm arguing that 50's run began to decline in 2005 and what I think the causes for that was, in response, you make an irrelevant rebuttal that 50 as an artist is more relevant than Ja today.

That is called moving the goal post. Also, why do you keep pushing Ja comparisons into the convo. Ja said 50's only good album was GRODT, I didn't see anything from him about who is more relevant today.

Btw, can you cite me these singles you speak of?

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You act like Ja Rule is still relevant.:mjlol:.
Actually, I never even suggested anything of the sort. You literally just made that up because you had no real response for the points I was actually making.

The Massacre sold more that GRODT so your argument was already flawed there.

No, the Massacre didn't. Secondly, how can I be flawed in recognizing the sells of the Massacre when I conceded in my post that the Massacre sold amazingly. What exactly do you think is meant when someone says that an album sold amazingly? That it sold bad?

Your opinion is in the minority as well as Jadakiss or whatever mediocre emcee you wanna throw out there.
If nobody sided with Jadakiss, Fat Joe, or Nas when 50 attacked them then why was The Game able to score so much support when he publicly expressed he wouldn't jump into 50's random beefs?

The fact is worldwide The Massacre did commercially better which is why other than Snoop, 2Pac, Eminem and Biggie, 50 Cent is the most popular. His music is and was well received.

No one argued that the Massacre didn't do commercially well. Again, I literally say in my post that The Massacre sold amazingly well. Stop obstructing by acting like I ignored that fact.

And as far as received goes, the evidence imo strongly suggest that everything he did after the Massacre, and the Massacre itself, wasn't all that *well* received. With the Massacre(and Banks and Bucks first albums), I believe majority of the sales were generated from the hype produced by GRODT rather than the quality of the record itself.

I think this is highly likely to be the case because if you look at the numbers, something wild like 90-80% of the people who bought the Massacre didn't buy Curtis, and it would've probably been higher if 50 didn't use Kanye as a promotional tool. Now you could argue that this says nothing and that the decrease in sells could be explained by times changing, illegal downloading of music, and street rap running its course, however, I disagree with all of those explanations. I think you can see a declining trend starting in the wake of The Massacre with Tony Ya Yo's Album and the GRODT soundtrack.

Put it like this, Buck, Game, and Banks easily go plat, Yayo flops, the only thing of note is that Yayo's joint dropped in 2005, after the Massacre. With that said, the Massacre damn near pushes 10 million, however, in the same year, GRODT soundtrack, which arguably had stronger singles than the Massacre, only moves a quarter of that(which is still large but its a substantial decrease nonetheless). in point, something happened here, not 07, but 05.

And the trend continued into 2006 with Banks&Bucks sequels doing substantial worse sells-wise. My thought experiment is this: how is it that the Massacre is so loved and critically well-received when everything that followed right after it did worse than the 50&g-unit projects that came before it? And that the follow up album, Curtis, barely retained a fraction of those so called fans that just LOVED the Massacre? I think the best rational explanation that fits with the facts I mention is that the Massacre sold on brand hype way more than actual quality, and after nikkas heard it and realized it was trash, a good chunk of listeners decide to stop buying any further 50 projects.
 
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Fair enough, just be honest about it though. That's all i'm saying. nikkas acting Ja said something controversial when in actuality everyone knows that majority of 50's work outside of POAD to Beg for Mercy is low-grade.
Bottom line is I could make a best of 50, playlist with a hundred+ songs. ja would have 30-40 tops
 

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Bottom line is I could make a best of 50, playlist with a hundred+ songs. ja would have 30-40 tops
less then that. ja rules best tracks are singles and there too corny to even bump anymore. Ja Rule always had whatever-garbage albums. That’s y it was easy for 50 to destroy him not to mention all the biting and corny ness. U don’t see gza/wu getting a scratch put on there names because there thorough and got classic music. Not anyone can just have there career destroyed the way ja did. He was feeling himself too much and he was nvr great. He’s a pop single rapper at best.
 
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