It's 2014 Still no black agent 007 a.k.a. James Bond

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so there are no black Europeans that exists? You have American Blacks that play Africans, whites that play roles that are suppose to be for someone of color. Why is it a problem now.
Like 99% of Europeans are white. I think people of black descent make up 1-2% of the British population. The typical European is white. Go to most European countries and you won't find black people. Many Europeans, especially those to the East, have never even seen a black person in real life. Why should a black person play a European man? I don't agree a European should play an African either and typically this isn't the case. James Bond was written during a time where there were virtually no blacks in England.
 

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wait are you saying that it isn't implied that James Bond isn't the same person in all the films? He's not like a batman or superhero comic book hero that is just kind of a retelling to modernize it for new generations? Its impossible to have straight continuity for super hero's or James Bond like characters because if so then they would be near 100 by now or at some point
 

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I don't have a problem with a black 007. And I'll agree with you that whitewashing is a significant problem in Hollywood.

But DDL wasn't playing a fukking Mohican. He was a white actor playing a white character. A character who has been white since the story was written in the 1800s.

Stop being stuck on the title of the movie.

:snoop: breh come on man. Did you read over the part where I compared the last samurai and the last mochican? Obviously if I can draw a comparison between two movies I must have seen both. I know DDL is a white man in the movie. I also know he was an pretty much an honorary member of the tribe like Cruise was an honorary member of the village.
 
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wait are you saying that it isn't implied that James Bond isn't the same person in all the films? He's not like a batman or superhero comic book hero that is just kind of a retelling to modernize it for new generations? Its impossible to have straight continuity for super hero's or James Bond like characters because if so then they would be near 100 by now or at some point

It's never been implied that it's a different dude each time because there are points of reference in most of the films to something that came before...On Her Majesty's Secret Service referenced the films that came before it when Bond pulled out trinkets from those past missions...Roger Moore's Bond and Timothy Dalton's Bond both mourned the death of Tracy Bond...in Goldeney, M called Pierce Brosnan's Bond "a sexist misogynist dinosaur; a relic of the cold war." Daniel Craig is the reboot Bond so his story and backstory can be different but for the entirety of the series up until 2006, it's been one continuous chain. Why is it so hard to just accept that different actors play the same guy and leave it at that?
 

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:snoop: breh come on man. Did you read over the part where I compared the last samurai and the last mochican? Obviously if I can draw a comparison between two movies I must have seen both. I know DDL is a white man in the movie. I also know he was an pretty much an honorary member of the tribe like Cruise was an honorary member of the village.

LOL, so what is your problem with those roles then? That white characters were played by white actors in films with non-white references in the title? :what:
 

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It's never been implied that it's a different dude each time because there are points of reference in most of the films to something that came before...On Her Majesty's Secret Service referenced the films that came before it when Bond pulled out trinkets from those past missions...Roger Moore's Bond and Timothy Dalton's Bond both mourned the death of Tracy Bond...in Goldeney, M called Pierce Brosnan's Bond "a sexist misogynist dinosaur; a relic of the cold war." Daniel Craig is the reboot Bond so his story and backstory can be different but for the entirety of the series up until 2006, it's been one continuous chain. Why is it so hard to just accept that different actors play the same guy and leave it at that?

thats why i was sort of confused with what the threadstarter was saying in the story James Bond doesn't change he's the same guy just portrayed by different actors like Batman and Superman

so to some making the character black would be like making Batman or Superman black and change the character because that character would have gone through a different upbringing as a different ethnicity

not saying you can't but i don't think any studio would take the chance at losing box office money but it could also make bank as well i personally would not have an issue with it
 

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LOL, so what is your problem with those roles then? That white characters were played by white actors in films with non-white references in the title? :what:

:wtf: were you so stuck on the last mochicans that didn't read what i posted? a trained samurai doesn't have to be japanese and if they are accepted by the tribe, a mochican doesn't have to be native american. 007 is a agent designation for the m-16 therefore 007 can be portrayed by any ethnicity/gender/religion. a point i made numerous times by not saying james bond but 007 and further expanding on by bringing up the bourne series .
:upsetfavre: Breh I already replied to you in the other thread. I'm not saying DDL was pulling a Micky Rouke. I am literally saying if we can have a white samurai and a white mochican then there should be no problem with a black M-16 007 agent. It's pretty fukking obvious that's what I'm trying to relay since I brought up the last samurai which was pretty much the last mochican in japan. :mindblown:

No shyt he was a white man fukking Sherlock

as far as i'm concerned james bond can always be white but there's no reason that 007 have to always be white.
 

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Why would a black man want to be a 00 agent. Wouldnt that make him a glorified house nikka.
 

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thats why i was sort of confused with what the threadstarter was saying in the story James Bond doesn't change he's the same guy just portrayed by different actors like Batman and Superman

so to some making the character black would be like making Batman or Superman black and change the character because that character would have gone through a different upbringing as a different ethnicity

not saying you can't but i don't think any studio would take the chance at losing box office money but it could also make bank as well i personally would not have an issue with it

I THINK the one franchise that could withstand the potential blow would be the Bond franchise because they've been going strong for 50 years, suffered bumps and bruises along the way and they're still here. However, being around for 50 years is also a drawback to doing something different like changing the race of your main character especially one who's background and upbringing are very specific and very tailored into who he is as a man more specifically as a white man. I'd have no problem with it at all and as a black man, I'd love to see it, but I'm not going to be mad if it doesn't happen because from a creative standpoint, it's quite the thing to wrap your head around as a writer: This guy who's been white since 1962, had his background detailed as far as being Scottish and Swiss, is now a black man? It's just a weird conceit.
 
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