It Still Baffles Me That The Beatles Are Considered the Greatest Ever Without Any Sense of Rhythm

[I'm Blackman]

I Like A lot Of Their shyt

Me too. I always dug Lennon. I still think they're overrated.

 

[I'm Blackman]

I know too much about the Beatles and I could school all of yall to this shyt

if you can prove you can play guitar ill really break shyt down because you would have to actually be a musician to debate creating and writing actual music

Yellow Submarine was a soundtrack album, you just posted the Intro basically
And also the time period where they were incredibly high on LSD making songs for a cartoon

just to drop a few gems before we get into it, Beatles weren't just "a white band" they werent from America... you cant look at them as American off rip
The first few albums were filled with covers like most bands back then and they mastered playing small clubs on uppers drunk as fukk. Everything was normal at that point
Most acts werent putting full originally written albums out, just singles and hits, especially not in pop music... because pop music is popular music. It's not a real genre of music
Like Muddy Waters had songs in blues and etc.... people had a lane. Beatles put together well written cohesive originally written full albums when nobody really was...They were using
a much different structure and sound basically creating Pop music just off swag. They didnt just stick to one style of music at all, but whatever genre they went for... they made the pop version of it.
Not only that, they directed highly produced promo videos which led to "Music Videos" And threw full length movies to go with the full albums ... this was like 1963 way before anyone. They never stayed comfortable
and everytime they were stereotyped Lennon or Mccartney would completely turn left and go against the grain.

One of the most amazing facts is, these nikkas were playing full stadiums solo before anyone with 100$ amps to 30k people... and not missing a beat... that shyt is extraordinarily hard fam... you would not be able to hear yourself singing or playing at all with a full band of people. Imagine doing a rap show with a 100$ amp and a mic plugged in to a baseball field full of people. They criticized the Queen and shyt on UK... they came to America and said fukk the racism and inequality in America and Lennon from 1970 - 1980 hung with black panthers and completely shyt on USA without even being a legal citizen here.

I could break down like 10 pages of shyt the Beatles did for hit music, they donated and created prototypes for the first cell phone, the MRI machine etc. They always gave credit where it was due and gave props to their heros... I can see how people wouldnt like the Beatles or not understand but in a 7 year window, they literally created the full album, the original composition album, the music video and promotional roll out and music based movie picture. They werent rock music, or psychedelic music or blues band... they were literally just a pop band ... they pioneered making perfect bops

everytime they said "Well you cant talk about drugs, or you cant talk about whores" they found a creative way to make hooker anthems or weed songs... if you know you knowwww




they also were the first to count in on songs (1,2,3,4!) alot of the cueing up and techniques were later used to blend records and help create a better radio program

Miles Davis is one of the other people that changed music this much... Chuck Berry etc.
There's like a 10 page list of shyt you can directly attribute them for bringing. Other rock bands like the Stones are one trick pony's or following the lead... alot of them just blatantly ripping black music off, Beatles were making pop music with classical instruments and shyt, throwing trombone and brass sections over straight pop. John Lennon's whatever get's you through the night directly influenced the Saturday Night Live theme song ...without Beatles, there is no Purple Rain and shyt like that.



psychedelic rock - doowop mash up with blues foundation


come on fam


mcartney and lennon had amazing harmonies on tracks vocally


john and ringo inventing drum and bass music in 1965 and putting it on a huge album with no fukks given


killing their demo at 17 years old ... complete different style of music every song

Dope informative post. Rep.

 

[eufemism]

i had a cac teacher that wouldn't shut the fukk up about the beatles



they're not even the best british rock band. the who and pink floyd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Archangel]

Come together is pretty much the only Beatles song I lik . Them drums

 

[null]

You might be right and I like some of the Beetles music.

But they'd only have 1 hit

 

[null]

Me too. I always dug Lennon. I still think they're overrated.

5 out of 10 of the most covered songs ever, were written by members of the Beatles.

Including the most covered song ever: Yesterday.

 

[frush11]

there are so many random great black musicians and bands from the past that would put the beatles and any of them rock white boys to shame.

it amazes how the record industry has manage to convince people and artsy negroes that their "legendary" artist made the best music. average ass jazz/funk releases while miles ahead of any so called classic white boy crap. and best rock album ever was by a black band name death.

 

[ThaRealness]

there are so many random great black musicians and bands from the past that would put the beatles and any of them rock white boys to shame.

it amazes how the record industry has manage to convince people and artsy negroes that their "legendary" artist made the best music. average ass jazz/funk releases while miles ahead of any so called classic white boy crap. and best rock album ever was by a black band name death.

Well this is a lie, LED Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time and they can go toe to toe with anyone except Miles Davis

 

[ISO]

I don't think the beatles are the goats but I fukk with some of their shyt. Especially Let it be.


But u have to remember that this is a forum where when Takashi 69 dropped that Fefe bullshyt 90% of em was in the thread saying it was hot, so u shouldn't take the opinions seriously of brehs who regularly listen to Da baby, lil baby, NBA Youngboy, Kodak Black and all these sing songy mumble autotune rappers seriously

Their ears are wired differently to appreciate wackness and be completely confused by something that's actually good

My nikka stays insulting modern music

 

[ThaRealness]

like i said, i think they are overrated but i fukk with some of their songs mainly because of the compositions.

never really cared for the grooves they came up with, never thought they were super great musicians.

songs i fukk with:

Spoiler

solo songs




plus a few others already posted

like i said, i fukk with the compositions and the production aspect of it (shout out to the fifth beatle)

Exactly dude. The songwriting is definitely unparalleled, and the production is probably just rivaled by Thriller. But the musicianship is mediocre.



I mean compare that with Kind of Blue or bytches Brew by Miles Davis - visionary songwriting and era-defining musicianship. Pretty damn good production too.

There are at least a handful of artists who check more boxes then The Beatles.

 

[Greenhornet]

So we gon act like chuck berry didn’t make albums with original music that the Beatles bit?

I put chuck in my top list and he invented rock and roll... I still actively listen to him and I know he is diverse... but alot of times he recorded basically the same song over and over
my point with the Beatles is, they are not just a rock band. All of these other people just do one style of music and cannot escape the boundaries they are in. No hate because without Chuck there is no modern music or box formation on guitar that invented rock and roll. What I mean by the albums is they were packaged with one common theme. Like Kendricks GKMC or The Chronic..... the whole album was a movement

Zeppelin is a band so talented that people concluded they were devil worshippers

You ever hear Ringo Star and think "this dude gotta be on some shyt"?

ever stop to think that "Richard Starkey" changed his name to Ringo Starr .... which means ring with a star, aka a pentagram Led Zeppelin is amazing but they started in the 70s, Beatles started in the 60s huge disconnect and they only played rock music.

Rolling Stones >>>>>

thats funny because they just played rhythm and blues and who wrote their first 1# hit? Beatles did ...... John Lennon also gave Bowie his first number 1 hit with Fame ... one of those songs black households give a pass to


Crosby Stills and Nash came out 10 years after the beatles, no contest. Alot of people posted didnt even come out in 1960-1969... if you dont do the history you never know what influence means, I personally love the corny 1950s rock, if you ever want to become a good guitarist....start from the beginning and work your way down. The point is not who was most technical, or best singer or this and that, just like people of the 50s changed from big band to rock and roll and ballads.... Beatles completely changed the game for pop music and audio in the 60s. Thats why you get the cheesy 1930s - 1950s style of Mccartney and you get the progressive mind of Lennon who was always outside of the box. It was a perfect storm


Here's a good fact too for a hiphop forum.... Beatles invented tape loops and used them on songs, which is basically what DJs still do to this day. Splicing tapes and making beats out of raw loops, thats basically what most producers do now and they did it on accident.

This is why they were a good fit in my opinion.... The leader in the beginning was John ... he wasnt traditional and very outspoken... he was funny and could be a dikkhead but he wasnt in the front and he played rhythm ... so the phrasings you get in the songs are him trying to break convention with rhythm instead of lead... which creates a more raw rhythm. Paul could sing best but also played bass... he did LSD 3 years after they did and carried the back end of their career. Once John and George were like fukk all this, he came through on Acid and was like "Nah we should get even weirder" So you have Paul playing remarkable bass rhythm but also crooning at the same time which was extremely melodic .... then the icing on the cake was George, he was introspective... like a Ali Shaheed. He was keeping them grounded and getting more spiritual and never once tried to intervene with the process... but he also played lead guitar.... so instead of having these hard rock blistering solos, you have a very controlled, to the point bridge and solo section of your songs. It kept the sound very neat around the other two bending and driving the rhythm. Ringo was great, he doesnt get credit at all because he wasnt the first drummer.... but he just played a basic beat and showed up for them. As a musician and songwriter, he is all id want ... dont do that fancy bullshyt ... just hold a beat while I write my shyt and go off to me that's why they were a perfect storm, they werent the traditional band in a sense... most of the time youd want someone calm to keep rhythm and the wild ass dude to play lead... but having the opposite kept the songs very controlled. Then your bass player sings the best and actually loves to do it? Its a wrap....If I could relate them to something .... it would be like John Lennon being Miles Davis, Paul McCartney being Louis Armstrong, George Harrison being John Coltrane and Ringo being Bill Evans ... just a phenomenally great powerhouse group


I think acts of the 40s and other acts sprinkled in are amazing but the Beatles just truly smashed through music like a wrecking ball. They progressed us so much further probably at a 20-30 year clip and most of it was just them saying "fukk it we dont give a fukk how you do shyt" they were witty ontop of being innovative. Ticket to Ride is about a prostitute on the chorus, in Europe you used to need a license to prostitute, she needed a ticket to ride.... they snuck all types of creative ways to play shyt on radio. If you were like "nah you guys are big dont blow it" they were going to try to stand on that cliff and laugh at it. If you set up a formal event, they were showing up in Indian garb and telling you about space and inner peace and shyt. They were the perfect amount of creative, just as any artist should be. Not alot of people care or recognize because they dont play music, I could easily play a blues riff from the rolling stones or a riff like zepplin but I could never write a song perfectly like the beatles.... Pink Floyd was started by Syd Barrett and he did too much LSD, it activated and made his schizophrenia worse. He wanted to have 3 sax players and violins and shyt during their 16 minute acid jams and they kicked him out of his own band... he walked home and lived in the side room of his mothers house for the rest of his life until he died. Then Roger waters put 3 sax players and violins and shyt in the next album and made "Wish you were here" "Shine on you crazy diamond" and became legends off of his ideas... they completely sharked dude and told him he was a bizzaro idiot and then used what he said to become huge....they cant hold a candle with that one trick pony acid rock shyt.

Got to get you into my life was an ode to weed... I picture Mccartney smoking dirt weed in an old car driving down the road singing to his clip on some Devin the Dude shyt
he had cacs doing the twist to this shyt saying what an "Okay pal he was".... as they were singing his ode to weed and shyt


I could merk this thread with only paul songs and he's not even my favorite one
Paul basically inventing Techno music by himself and not getting credit
this has been my ringtone for 10+ years, I call it the batphone
there's no other song like this, especially in 1970



dude has songs about his dog that rival other people's hits.
how you do pop songs with tuba, trombone and trumpet .... orchestra layers and still make a perfect pop hit?
his throwaway shyt is on par with Queen's best stuff ... listen to his piano and melody on the bass
chord progression and movement of the song as a whole



a precursor to punk rock music by John (about shooting heroin) "the deeper you go, the higher you fly... the higher you fly... the deeper you go"



whether you like the song or not... this is the first hit they gave the Rolling Stones
One of the first rock songs where they ride the crash cymbal every beat ... precursor to hard rock in 1963



song about his father abandoning his family, he grew up with his aunt
when he was a teenager he reconnected and got to know his mother
and she was killed in front of him by a drunk police officer, he was 18
if someone can post a band from this era playing something deeper ill wait

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Love as in "Forever Changes" Love?

Mad underrated. Forever Changes is the best album at capturing the seasonal change from Summer to Fall

I dont know much about the stooges, only punk groups I messed with were Dead Kennedys and Black Flag

forever changes one of the best albums.
if youve liked any punk music before you should check out funhouse by the stooges. those two and can are probably my three favorite bands

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

That's why you gotta call these cacarots out they love being blissfully unaware

 

[Greenhornet]

I noticed people saying they aren't technical but they can't play instruments at all or explain theory as to why they can't do it

And others saying I can't vibe to it, which is understandable....but the Beatles didn't make music to dance to....they made iconic songwriting pieces.

 

[Cave Savage]

What I like about the Beatles is how versatile they were. At least starting with Rubber Soul, every album has its own mood and a wide variety of songs.

My favorite albums are Rubber Soul, Sargent Pepper's, and Abbey Road