It Looks Like the MVP Outcome is all but Officially Decided

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I see this similar to in the 80s when Bird won his 3 MVPs in a row, then in the 2000s when the MVP was Nash, Nash and Dirk in a 3 year period. Next year will be similar with Luka (barring injury winning the MVP, so it will be Jokic, Jokic and Luka in 3 in a row).

I just really don't care for the award because the media changes the requirements every year for the past 30 years and so many greats have gotten MVPs taken from them cause the media holds grudges or cause they change the requirements from year to year. I wish it could go back where the players voted for the MVP (players voted for the MVP pre 1979 - 1980 season).

But yes this will be like Dirk and Westbrook winning the MVPs and getting beat in the first round all over again (in terms of recent memory).

You wished you went back to a time where the players awarded the MVP to a player that didn't make the playoffs? I wonder what your reaction would be if the media this season gave the MVP to someone missed the playoffs.....

 

[Jplaya2023]

I see this similar to in the 80s when Bird won his 3 MVPs in a row, then in the 2000s when the MVP was Nash, Nash and Dirk in a 3 year period. Next year will be similar with Luka (barring injury winning the MVP, so it will be Jokic, Jokic and Luka in 3 in a row).

I just really don't care for the award because the media changes the requirements every year for the past 30 years and so many greats have gotten MVPs taken from them cause the media holds grudges or cause they change the requirements from year to year. I wish it could go back where the players voted for the MVP (players voted for the MVP pre 1979 - 1980 season).

But yes this will be like Dirk and Westbrook winning the MVPs and getting beat in the first round all over again (in terms of recent memory).

This isnt similiar to bird at all.

Bird was the best player in the league and in those 3 years went to 3 straight finals, won 2 fmvps and was a broken hand, and a finals format change away from winning 3 straight rings.

 

[Da_Eggman]

Hollow award anyways

 

[Ohene]

Absolutely disgusting. Embiid has the most 40/10 games, led the league in scoring, and didn’t even get much help. Embiid went from an absent Simmons to a broken Harden. No way the voting should look like this.

Jokic media fans are like Yeagerists from Attack on Titan.

Jokic is better and makes his teammates better
Stop crying

 

[Ohene]

Back to back MVP with (soon to be) back to back 1st Rd exits. Disgusting

Edit: scratch that. 2nd Rd and now 1st Rd exit. So 'scust instead

And he went to the western final the year before which embiid has never done and won’t do this year
Your point?

 

[ISO]

Embid had 3 more wins with a team that was going through intra locker turmoil, trade rumors, actual trades and moving parts as well. Embid was the center of Philly being able to win 50 games inspite of it all, while being the NBA’s leading scorer, while playing the traditional big role in a league that has been slowly going away from that style of play, while still getting Philly to a top 4 seed.

Bron simply had more wins and the number 1 seed in the conference. This has usually been the rule as to why players got the MVP nod. If not number 1, than at least a top 3 seeding. Westbrook changed things.

Embiid doesn’t have more wins than Jokic.

Philadelphia has more wins than Denver but Jokic has been available for more of Denver’s wins.

Also, LeBron didn’t just have the better team record he had the best advanced stats in the league it’s an All-Time great season not only that he was also second in the DPoY race.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Regardless of who you think deserves the award, the NBA MVP being determined by the media is probably one of the most obtuse decisions the sport has made.

Again, like KD said in that Draymond interview: the media knows jack shyt about the game compared to himself and every single other NBA player.

Scalabrine said the same thing: there is so much microprocessing going on the game that the average person has zero idea about it.

It'd be so much more interesting and definitive if the players vote for it because they're the ones who have seen firsthand what player x does - not just on the court, but analyzed to high detail by the coaches during film sessions.

shyt, coaches and coaching staffs would be a better medium.

Too many conflicts of interests. They're voting for their friends, they know that salary bonuses could be at stake, etc.

The players used to vote for MVP and it got taken away cause they blatantly voted based on their own favorites. Wilt didn't even win MVP in his 50ppg season because he was standoffish and other players didn't fukk with him like that. Dave Cowens won MVP in 1972 when Kareem was MUCH better than him at literally everything. And if you think "voter fatigue" is bad now, it was even worse then cause players wanted to spread the love and not just let the same guy get the award every year even if he was better.

Hell, look at the votes every time anyone polls players for anything. In 2019 more players picked Harden than Giannis for MVP.....and 13% of them voted for Paul George. Paul fukking George. He got zero 1st or 2nd place votes by the media, which seems a bit more accurate.

Coaches votes have always been ass too. Coaches just got the All-Defensive vote taken away a few years ago because they made such bad picks, just taking the same guys by rep every year no matter how they performed. Coaches don't even watch the other half of the league like that, they only play them twice a game. Some of them weren't even filling out the ballots themselves, they were letting assistants or interns do it.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So Jokic was putting up crazy numbers on a bad team. How many times has that happened in NBA history and that player gets denied MVP? All of a sudden, special reservations for Jokic.

Jokic literally played in more wins this year than either Giannis or Embiid. So if wins are your criteria, who are you picking, fukking Devin Booker?

 

[KidJSoul]

Jokic had an MVP level season but I don't like it because it's not fair to other players who never win because of their seeding.

But don't blame jokic: blame Westbrook. He started this.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Embiid's record: 45-24
Giannis's record: 45-22
Jokic's record: 46-28


Sixers record without Embiid: 6-7
Bucks record without Giannis: 6-9
Nuggets record without Jokic: 2-6



Y'all basically saying that Jokic doesn't deserve the MVP because his team sucked worse when he wasn't on the court....which makes zero logical sense.

 

[nyknick]

What I don't understand is why everyone that's anti-Jokic in this thread is so firmly in the Embiid camp? I skimmed through the thread and didn't really see anyone outraged Giannis won't be the MVP.

Is it the 0.7 points per game that make all the difference?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What bothers me the most is its not even close. All I've heard is this is one of the tightest MVP races ever and any of Giannis, Embiid or Jokic can deserve to win it.

Yet, in the final analysis Jokic wins by a landslide.

Every person only has one ballot. An MVP race can be extremely close but if everyone agrees the same player was slightly better than the vote will look like a landslide even if the actual gap was small.

LeBron beat KD 120-0 in 2013, Rose beat LeBron 113-4 in 2011, that doesn't mean those players were head-and-shoulders dominant, it just means that every voter came to the same conclusion that they deserved it a little bit more.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What I don't understand is why everyone that's anti-Jokic in this thread is so firmly in the Embiid camp? I skimmed through the thread and didn't really see anyone outraged Giannis won't be the MVP.

Is it the 0.7 points per game that make all the difference?

Especially considering that Embiid only scored more than Giannis cause he played more minutes. Giannis made more FGs than Embiid and shot a better % on them too, Embiid only squeaked out the scoring title with free throws. And Bucks were worse without Giannis on the floor than Sixers were without Embiid on the floor.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

These are the same cac media members who literally gave Steph Curry 0 FMVP votes in the 2015 finals… 0 votes even tho his team won and he was the best player on his team by a fukkin mile…

Embid should be the mvp

What does "cac media" have to do with voting Iggy or LeBron over Steph Curry?


They voted TP over Duncan in '07 when Duncan was by far the best player too.....Cedric Maxwell over Larry Bird when Bird was by far the best player.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

they’re not bums. They are legit NBA players who have spent multiple years in the league and they excel something. Everyone isn’t a star player or all star. You can still win with great role players (Dallas, Detroit, Toronto etc).

Again, you’re talking like the Nuggets roster is made up G-League or straight bums

They aren't "bums" but none of them are great and the bench was terrible.

In the games Jokic missed Denver went 2-6 and those two wins were Houston and Indiana who are damn close to being the worst two teams in the league. If the schedule had fallen slightly different Denver easily could have been 0-8 without Jokic. Philly and Milwaukee were much better without their stars than Denver was without theirs.