NormanConnors
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whats the best way to learn this? Im in desktop support now, but struggling to get out of that environment
IT Certifications and Careers (Official Discussion Thread)
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whats the best way to learn this? Im in desktop support now, but struggling to get out of that environment
Good looks on the advice.
Fury616
www.illdust.com
No doubt...you got A+ then get Security+ and after that you can go the CISSP route and your value will skyrocket. Don't worry about Network+ for now, it's just an advanced version of A+.
Silver Surfer
Veteran
I would say school, but you can take classes certs nowadays on just learning to program.
I went to school and only took one semester of it....
Would one of these cert programs be a good place to start or are their better routes to go
Brooklyn College
Brooklyn College
Queensborough
http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/pv_obj_cach.../filename/01_Computer_Information_Systems.pdf
Brooklyn College
Brooklyn College
Queensborough
http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/pv_obj_cach.../filename/01_Computer_Information_Systems.pdf
For those looking to break into the field.
My advice:
Start out by acquiring a helpdesk job at a webhosting company (hostgator/cpanel..etc) They train you and you can gain experience from there... the pay starts at like $10.50/hr...you can move up quick.. get your A+ cert and you're good.
Once you're there for 2-3 years you can move into more of a network admin role.
That's what I did
I worked at Hostgator for 2 years as a lvl. 2 helpdesk tech, A+ certified, Network+ certified, now I'm an assistant network admin/IP telephony admin/desktop support tech for a retail electric provider.
Also my Undergrad major has absolutely NOTHING to do w/ IT..just goes to show Experience goes a long way in the IT field.
Hope this helps brehs.
So u were certified before you started the job, right? if so how'd you go about gettin certified?
Data-Hawk
I have no strings on me.
95% of the certs out here , all you need is a book, a couple of Virtual Machines, grab a couple of old routers/switchs off ebay or a router/switch simulator.
I'm still getting magazines sent to me about IT classes...the prices for those things are crazy and you really dont need them.
For the poster question about math. You only need Math if you are going into programming or want to be a Security researcher ( Note the researcher part ). And even with programming, most fields within programming you dont need to be good at math( it would help though, since it teaches you to think @ an abstract level ).
Data-Hawk
I have no strings on me.
Uhhh, not saying Network+ is the greatest cert out here, but how are you going to protect a network and you don't have basic TCP/IP knowledge?
One thing the Network+ is good @ is informing you abou the OSI Model and port #s. A security pro should know all of the popular ports under 1024 and tell you what happens at each layer of the OSI model by heart.
Everybody wants to jump into security without having the foundation level knowledge , because they hear about the $$$$$. Smh, no wonder so many networks are getting owned by script kiddies..
Data-Hawk
I have no strings on me.
If you are going to school for IT, get a degree. Don't go to school for Certs.
Most of the certs, all you need is amazon.com
Data-Hawk
I have no strings on me.
Like Doc said school. But if you dont want to go the school route. Grab a programming book and start programming. The best programmers out here are self-taught.
Also, Programming is totally different from the other fields of IT. To tell you the truth, alot of programmers dont consider programming to be I.T related, but more of a science. Hence in school you have "Computer Science" and you have "Information Tech" degree programs.
Fury616
www.illdust.com
You learn all basics in A+...including TCP/IP. Nobody gives a shyt about OSI model breh, I been doing this for for 10+ years. Lol...nothing about OSI model matters unless you learning infrastructure or Cisco. And more than likely you learn that shyt on the job.
Data-Hawk
I have no strings on me.
OSI Model only matters when you dealing with the infrastructure or Cisco? How can you possible protect a network if you dont know how traffic moves from one computer to the next?
Certain attacks can only happen at certain layers, Hackers know this and come up with attacks based off of it. I use to be on the OSI model is only good for tests, until I was shown how to come up with attacks based off the model.
To really secure a network, you need to be worried about all 7 layers. Great you have a firewall, what if this attack takes place at a lower layer?
Also alot of security research papers make use of the OSI model to explain whats happening.
http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/protocols/understanding-security-osi-model_377
In the end, all i'm really saying is. If you just finished the A+, you should be worried about a helpdesk/desktop type of job first, continue to build off the basics. If you want to learn about security , download a linux distro , Learn how to manage a network, try to hack a couple of your home computers( Metasploit Penetration Testing Software | Metasploit Framework | Metasploit Project ) comes to mind. Afterwards jump into security certs.
