Issa Rae's new show is black male bashing propaganda

[Rekkapryde]

everything has to be propaganda now.

 

[Rekkapryde]

called it months ago that it would be pushing a stereotypical agenda about black folks.

Just another reason I don't watch 90% of the shyt they show on TV.

But Shawty Lo ( ) couldn't get his show off

 

[Neuromancer]

That's fine, her big brother might not be a dope boy and the types of men who you believe should be represented in her story may not exist within the spectrum of HER, the story teller's, personal experience.

Also black creators are forced to add people who they don't interact with in their work for mass appeal because others think it's "important " my writing partner came to me with this same sentence for a comic we're writing. This happens a lot in black comics and sci-fi media. So why do we have to do this?

 

[Booker T Garvey]

You wanna know what pisses me off about us and shows like this?

Where are the predominantly anglo-programs on TV that touch on their dirt? Where a main character is on or dealing meth?

Maybe got caught up in a "Jared fogle" type situation? Or where the main couple is online looking for a big strong black buck to join their bedroom?

All of these things are pretty commonplace in suburbia, but they won't dare throw these topics out there for the world.

We act like we can't wait to shyt on each other all in the name of "keepin it rill!!"

fukk that. I'm not like any of those dudes on that show, my friends and family yes, but I'm tired of saying that shyt-there are very few brothas on TV that represent me

 

[Colicat]

You do see that people can and will use this to paint black men as a monolith right? Not arguing with you cause I agree what with you said above. But we kinda have to recognize the potential for more mass stereotyping when we see it.

Yes, I agree with the drawback to this medium of expression.

Do we have to recognize mass stereotyping or tell our individual and collective truths despite the continued generalization of Black folks?

We are damned if we do, damned if we dont.

 

[Matt504]

I love Atlanta it's alternative comedy which is great but question, how is the perceived negative stereotypes that are in Issa rates show (haven't watched gonna watch tho) any different than the ones in Atlanta? Main character urn is homeless (can't take care of his kid or responsibilities. His girlfriend and parents take care of him), cousin sells drugs raps and shot someone the first episode, the funny dude is always stoned. These aren't exactly good depictions of black men aside from their dialogue which I do love.

The difference is that a Black man is the story teller on Atlanta so his narrative is automatically more valid than a Black woman telling the exact same story.

Imagine the restaurant scene from Atlanta playing out in Issa Rae's show, a Black male ducking out of the room to call his cousin who just witnessed a Black male shoot another Black male running into the woods, to put $20 on his card. Mother fukkers would be in here LOSING THEIR MINDS.

 

[Concerning VLoLence]

Where is the stereotyping?

The real elephant in the room is the mirror you and many others hate to have staring back at you.

It's ironic how there are no shortage of men here on the coli who champion the very type of male they're quick to call a "stereotype" because a Black woman is sharing her experience and perception of that type of male.

You nikkas are ridiculous.

Have you not read the thread and watched the show?!?

For such an intellectual (Coli Standards) you respond with way too many strawman arguments.

I never championed any black male stereotypes on the show, but merely pointed out that they were there.

You are stupid to defend positions in debates without understanding the context of the conversation.

 

[Originalman]

But Shawty Lo ( ) couldn't get his show off

Cause black frats and Soros and other blacks had common sense to boycott that garbage and threaten to boycott the advertisers.

 

[Gravity]

Where is the stereotyping?

The real elephant in the room is the mirror you and many others hate to have staring back at you.

It's ironic how there are no shortage of men here on the coli who champion the very type of male they're quick to call a "stereotype" because a Black woman is sharing her experience and perception of that type of male.

You nikkas are ridiculous.

Do you respect black men who hold up that mirror? Sotomayor holds up a mirror to black women. There are plenty of black women who got the descriotion of black women that he perpetuates. Why don't you defend him?

 

[Rekkapryde]

Cause black frats and Soros and other blacks had common sense to boycott that garbage and threaten to boycott the advertisers.

But love and hip hop, basketball wives, and these other glorified minstrel shows with broads as the stars are going strong though?

 

[Concerning VLoLence]

The difference is that a Black man is the story teller on Atlanta so his narrative is automatically more valid than a Black woman telling the exact same story.

Imagine the restaurant scene from Atlanta playing out in Issa Rae's show, a Black male ducking out of the room to call his cousin who just witnessed a Black male shoot another Black male running into the woods, to put $20 on his card. Mother fukkers would be in here LOSING THEIR MINDS.

This is the same argument l gave you earlier about rappers automatically having a valid P.O.V. about the women in their music videos according to your logic.

You take my own reply to you and reframe it in your response to another person?!?

 

[Neuromancer]

Yes, I agree with the drawback to this medium of expression.

Do we have to recognize mass stereotyping or tell our individual and collective truths despite the continued generalization of Black folks?

We are damned if we do, damned if we dont.

A person in this thread asked a pertinent question. Why. Are we the only people who highlight our issues? What does that do to a groups self-esteem? Or their own perception of themselves. Is it not possible for a cycle to form from this? Yes we need to do better, but we aren't all doing horribly in terms of behavior.

 

[AkilinaArina]

The difference is that a Black man is the story teller on Atlanta so his narrative is automatically more valid than a Black woman telling the exact same story.

Imagine the restaurant scene from Atlanta playing out in Issa Rae's show, a Black male ducking out of the room to call his cousin who just witnessed a Black male shoot another Black male running into the woods, to put $20 on his card. Mother fukkers would be in here LOSING THEIR MINDS.

The scene where he allows his white friend to call him "nikka" still annoys me.

 

[Originalman]

God damn. I wanted the brehs to be wrong on this one but this show looks like some bs.

First scene depicts young "hood" children as black woman bashing hive mind sociopaths.

The way the boyfriend is portrayed made little sense to me. He's a good looking, well spoken guy but is still a bum? It's obvious they eeeent comfortable making him as "rough around the edges" as that kind of guy is in real life.

The whole "others" dynamic was extremely offensive. The whole issue with "dating out" is historical context. They demonized the fukk out of "Jamaal" and had this crazy inferiority complex towards his fiancé. Acting like black women view themselves as a consolation prize. "They wife up others so quickly", yet she was his first. Let other people be happy damn.

Then the whole plot with Daniel was so dumb. The old " just wants sex" stereotype. Portraying black men as these smooth talking beasts in heat.

This show is just a racist version of girls, without any depth to the male characters, that mixes in racial hierarchy and insecurity.

The fukked up thing is I have to watch to support a black woman getting her own show. Watching this makes me feel like one of those black people who voted for Obama in 2012 just because of how powerful it would be to see a black president get re elected.

Brotha you don't have to support it. I refuse to support dumb shyt especially in TV shows and movies that push black stereotypes. I don't care if it was MLK resurrected staring in the damn movie or show.

That is why I don't even watch 90% of the shyt on cable or tv. shyt just is stupid and made for mass consumption.

We as Black folks be so happy to support shyt with black people then don't realize how these same shows be laughing and making fun of us. shyt just goes over our damn heads.

 

[Matt504]

A person in this thread asked a pertinent question. Why. Are we the only people who highlight our issues? What does that do to a groups self-esteem? Or their own perception of themselves. Is it not possible for a cycle to form from this? Yes we need to do better, but we aren't all doing horribly in terms of behavior.

Why shouldn't we highlight our issues?

"Other people don't do it" is a terrible reason.

If highlighting our issues harms the group's self esteem, it stands to reason that it's because the group realizes that our issues are problematic and need to be addressed. Hiding the problem does not address the problem. Pretending these people do not exist do not address the problem.