Israeli military forces out here being scumbags again

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Get a better understanding. You don't see the spiritual aspect, which means you are blind to what's going on. Nobody is going to hold your hand through it. You have to try to see it for yourself.

Isn’t that the opposite of a congregation?

is the point of religion to preach the word to the masses? If everyone was doing their own thing people might come up with weird, warped and dangerous ideas like ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is okay.
 

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Okay. I see where we differ.

To me, it doesn’t matter if it’s complete. Ethnic cleansing of any scale is wrong.

The fact that hostilities exist in Kashmir for what was happened in present day India/Pakistan means they didn’t move on.

They are just fighting over something else.

America and Britain moved on. Our relationship and partnership doesn’t reflect our colonial beginnings.

If Pakistan and India are still fighting over land since 1948, they didn’t move on.

I'm not saying ethnic cleansing is right. It is absolutely wrong, on any scale. I'm just commenting on how it is sad that in some cases people can't stop fighting before things get to that point.

You are talking about Kashmir. Kashmir is different from Punjab. To westerners, India is one country and Pakistan is one country. In reality, each of India and Pakistan is naturally many countries, with many different tribes, language groups, religious groups, etc.

Politicians (who need something to rally support over) haven't moved on, and people living in disputed parts of Kashmir haven't moved on.

Meanwhile, people living in most parts of India and Pakistan where people were displaced have moved on. Similar to what I said in a previous post, you don't hear about Muslims in Faisalabad talking about how they want their farms in Jalandhar back. You don't hear Sikhs in India making demands that Pakistan needs to return land on which their historic temples are built.
 

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Get a better understanding. You don't see the spiritual aspect, which means you are blind to what's going on. Nobody is going to hold your hand through it. You have to try to see it for yourself.

fukk outta here, I come from an ultra mystical Christian Orthodox background so you can’t play that spiritualism card with me. This shyt is fraudulent and that’s why there’s so much suffering. Ain’t got shyt to do with no religion. The Jews that have bought into Extremist Zionism have lost their religion.
 
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And what exactly is the right side? You really think that what we’ve had in place since 1948 is the right side? Unless you’re an extremist Jew the side you’re arguing for is wrong.

And before you say anything religious, there are Palestinian Christians, Muslims believe in Jesus, so what you saying?


I know there are Palestinian Chrisitans. They should evaluate their living situation if they are around people putting them in danger.

For what you all are talking about there is no solution that can be accomplished by any government in power today. The basis of this is a war that has been going on since Creation. If you don't have a real understanding of what went on at Creation, The Flood, The Tower of Babel and down through history you can't understand what's going on now. You are blinded by your feelings.
 

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fukk outta here, I come from an ultra mystical Christian Orthodox background so you can’t play that spiritualism card with me. This shot is fraudulent and that’s why there’s so much suffering. Ain’t got shyt to do with no religion. The Jews that have bought into Extremist Zionism have lost their religion.


The truth is not religion. It's reality.

You can see it all day but still deny it. That's foolish.
 

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I'm black. I'm just telling you all the truth of the situation, which most of you can't handle. That's part of the reason black folks continue to get taken advantage of today. They think they know, but they are ignorant. Sit up there and get mad all you want. You should be mad at yourself for falling for the lies. That's where the responsibility comes in the end.
You are a doofus
 

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I'm not saying ethnic cleansing is right. It is absolutely wrong, on any scale. I'm just commenting on how it is sad that in some cases people can't stop fighting before things get to that point.

You are talking about Kashmir. Kashmir is different from Punjab. To westerners, India is one country and Pakistan is one country. In reality, each of India and Pakistan is naturally many countries, with many different tribes, language groups, religious groups, etc.

Politicians (who need something to rally support over) haven't moved on, and people living in disputed parts of Kashmir haven't moved on.

Meanwhile, people living in most parts of India and Pakistan where people were displaced have moved on. Similar to what I said in a previous post, you don't hear about Muslims in Faisalabad talking about how they want their farms in Jalandhar back. You don't hear Sikhs in India making demands that Pakistan needs to return land on which their historic temples are built.


Yeah. Most of my information about India’s various states comes from my friend who grew up after Partition. So I know about the regions being of various groups and language.


My point is that while you say people have moved on, if politicians or groups are still fighting about it, they haven’t moved on.

It’s why small stuff like skirmishes on borders that had been “resolved” can reignite old hostilities.

Complete ethnic cleansing is rare in the modern age. Armenians still exist. Palestinians still exist, Sikhs, Kashmiris, Punjabis, Hutus, Tutsi, Aboriginals, etc.

True most people just want to live there lives but most wars aren’t started by everyone. A few convincing others to join them is what does.
 

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I can’t handle your stupid and uninformed viewpoints.


lol. Read history. I'm not wasting my time trying to explain to people who don't want to know and blinded by their fragile feelings. The Palestinian people will continue to suffer because they are allowing themselves to be used by militant groups. If they wanted it to end they would get rid of those people, but they don't want it to end. They want to take over Israel.

It ain't going to happen.
 

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I know there are Palestinian Chrisitans. They should evaluate their living situation if they are around people putting them in danger.

For what you all are talking about there is no solution that can be accomplished by any government in power today. The basis of this is a war that has been going on since Creation. If you don't have a real understanding of what went on at Creation, The Flood, The Tower of Babel and down through history you can't understand what's going on now. You are blinded by your feelings.

The truth is not religion. It's reality.

You can see it all day but still deny it. That's foolish.

You got it. Ima chill I’m not a bully :laff:
 

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Great reporting from the Financial Times on the Sheikh Jarrah evictions that were the focus of this latest iteration of conflict, prior to the rockets/air strikes.

The people who obfuscate about Hamas and try to make them seem like the only factor at play, never have an adequate explanation for why this is happening in East Jerusalem and the WB, where Hamas's armed wing is no longer a player, and where Fatah and PA has long ago abandoned the armed struggle.

The quotes from the Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem and the settler in this story are especially instructive. They're brutally honest about their goal to ethnically cleanse the city and ensure the Palestinians have no control at all.

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Nabil al-Kurd, a Palestinian, remembers the day Jewish settlers moved into his house, a modest one-storey home in Sheikh Jarrah, a mostly Arab neighbourhood in occupied East Jerusalem.

Yaacov Fauci, a Jew from New York, arrived with a police guard on a sunny autumn day in 2009, threw out the furniture and moved into the tiny annexe Kurd had built for his son.

“He didn’t even speak Hebrew back then,” said Kurd, 77. “He’d been promised the land, the house — and now he’s been here 12 years.”


A decade of court battles later, Kurd and his unwelcome house guest are in the final stages of a plan hatched long ago by rightwing Israeli settlers: pick out Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, evict the owners using property laws that favour Jews over Arabs and, one house at a time, turn entire neighbourhoods Jewish.

With the Israeli Supreme Court due to decide last week if the settlers’ claim to the land was valid, the row over the evictions — which are illegal under international law because East Jerusalem is occupied territory — fused with already chaotic demonstrations at al-Aqsa mosque, a few minutes’ walk away in Jerusalem’s Old City. The mosque is in a compound in Jerusalem that is known to Jews as Temple Mount and which is sacred to both religions.

After days of scuffles with young Muslim men over police barriers at the Old City’s Damascus Gate, Israeli police stormed the compound, injuring hundreds of Palestinian protesters. On May 10 Palestinian militant group Hamas fired rockets deep inside Israel. In a warning to the Jewish state before its first volley, Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, demanded the immediate withdrawal of Israeli police from Sheikh Jarrah and the mosque.

Israel responded with air strikes on Gaza, which sparked unrest between Jews and Arab Israelis in mixed cities. It also triggered protests across the occupied West Bank. By Tuesday night, 217 Palestinians had been killed in the Gaza Strip, including 99 women and children, the Gaza ministry of health said.

For now, Israel has delayed the proceedings that would have made Kurd, his family and dozens of his Arab neighbours homeless. But the battle over this narrow lane of modest homes is the Palestinian-Israel conflict writ small, a symbol of the vast tracts of Palestinian land confiscated by the Jewish state over decades of occupation.

For rightwing Israelis, seeding Jewish neighbourhoods throughout East Jerusalem is a small part of the settlement enterprise that has seen 650,000 Jews move into the West Bank. Some 350,000 Palestinians live in East Jerusalem, encircled by about 200,000 Jewish settlers.

Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of a future state but Israel wants Jerusalem as its undivided capital. The bigger the Jewish population, the less likely it is to be uprooted in any future peace settlement, said Arieh King, a deputy mayor of Jerusalem and a leader in the settler movement.

“I want Jerusalem to be secured for ever as a Jewish city, and the only way to protect it from radical Muslims is by being more than them,” he said. “The heart of the Jewish nation is the Temple Mount — and the layers protecting the Mount will be the Jewish presence around it.”

Palestinians were first housed in Arab districts in East Jerusalem by Jordan, which controlled that part of the divided city for 19 years after the birth of Israel in 1948. Since the Six Day war in 1967, Israeli law allows Jews who lost their land in 1948 to claim it back through the courts. The law only applies to Jews.


“Today, this is the main organised way for the settlers to displace . . . Palestinians,” said Hagit Ofran, an expert on settlement activity at Peace Now, which advocates a two-state solution. “And it’s not a symbolic thing.”

Peace Now estimates that at least 200 families in Arab neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem are facing evictions under the same law used in Kurd’s case. Another 20,000 Arab-owned homes in East Jerusalem face demolition under other laws, including for zoning and building permit violations, according to Peace Now.

The battle over Kurd’s property maps the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Kurd and his family, refugees from Haifa in the north of Israel during the 1948 war, moved to this spot in 1956, he said.

The land was originally bought by a Jewish trust in the 1870s when the Ottomans ruled Palestine. After the 1967 war, the trust tried to reclaim it from the Kurd family, eventually selling it to settlers, who have pursued the case through the courts. In 2009, a judge handed the keys of the annexe to the settlers.

Last week, at the height of the tensions around the final eviction hearing, Kurd spotted a man taking rubbish out of his front garden and pointed to him. “There goes the thief,” he said.

There, with a bin bag in his hand, stood Fauci, red-faced from days in the sun and a bit sheepish after a video of him in his pyjamas in his neighbour’s garden, saying, “If I didn’t steal it [ the property], someone else will”, went viral two weeks ago. (“I am getting a lot of flak for that,” Fauci admitted.)

A religious student turned settler, Fauci has become the face of the dispute — he has been to the hospital twice, hit by rocks, but says he still enjoys living on the street. With the force of Israeli law behind him, he is sure he will one day have the rest of Kurd’s house.
 
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