Israel–Hamas War: 10/7/2023 - Present

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Only 4 Israelis died

Thoughts on the 2300 innocent Palestinians who died in those bombing attacks ??

Hamas' fault for hiding behind them.​

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

Hamas' fault for hiding behind them.​

Hamas was in tunnels not in buildings
So all this 2300 deserve to die

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Damn. He's basically saying we must be willing to sacrifice however many innocent Palestinian men, women and children to achieve the objective. I didn't expect that from him. A lot of Democrats have really exposed themselves in the past two weeks.

Yeah, it's disappointing, but I've been hearing that he has presidential ambitions and it looks like he might be positioning himself.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Hamas was in tunnels not in buildings
So all this 2300 deserve to die

How do you fire rockets while inside tunnels?

Please explain how that's possible.​

 

[Torrential]

For all the gullible people. It is basically 100% confirmed that the hospital was not accidentally attacked by Palestinians

The alleged Palestinian weapon was intercepted by the Iron Dome and did not misfire according to Al Jazeera




The audio of Palestinians talking about an alleged malfunction which was released by the apartheid regime is deemed a fake by Channel 4 News and several independent Arab journalists.




BTW, they never stopped destroying buildings before or after that attack. I still can't believe they destroyed a school
They never had the moral high ground at any point in this conflict (75 years).



Let's never forget that THEY ADMITTED TO DOING IT AS WELL.

I can bet my life Israel did the strike. They probably timed it the same time hamas rockets went out to false flag it

 

[Professor Emeritus]

A lot of arguing over insignificant minutiae.
In the grand scheme of things it does not matter who struck the hospital, beheaded a baby, or if that one girl in that one photo is okay.

It does however show how affective propaganda is.

It's rough, though, because those things are what drive public opinion even though they're insignificant in the big picture.

The vast majority of humans don't make most of their decisions based on statistics, or deep historical understanding, or careful rational arguments. When it comes to casual viewpoints like their thoughts on another country or daily news items, they tend to make their decisions based on who they like, what their friends think, and how they feel emotionally. That's not an insult, it's just human nature. People don't want to dedicate hours of hard thinking to an issue like this, so they allow their subconscious to take control, and the subconscious defaults to associations and emotions.

Thus, control of the narrative and images like hospitals and babies and particularly sympathetic victims matter more to that narrative than the best historical book on the subject ever will.

 

[dtownreppin214]

My heart aches for this child. I think this video has moved people the most from what I've obversed on social media. the terror in his eyes kills me.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Nkrumah Was Right @Rhakim

You are both intelligent men. It's clear you have a fundamental disagreement, so what more needs to be said?

Agree to disagree.

Whether someone is intelligent or not doesn't really matter to me, what matters is whether they're informed. And when he claimed that nonviolent resistance has only had "limited success" compared to violence, he proved he wasn't informed at even the most basic level.


I don't mind talking a lot on this issue because most people are inundated for their entire lives with pro-government violence propaganda. In America and a lot of other countries, all history courses are a glorification of past acts of national violence. Multiple holidays are celebrations of our military strength. Cartoons and children's toys are absolutely awash in symbols and storylines of violence, then as they grow damn near every mainstream action movie, superhero movie, and war movie has a pro-violence theme. The military is by far the largest budget item in the national budget, military recruiters push pro-military propaganda in high schools and TV shows and sporting events across the country, literal war colleges are over the place. It's the narrative that we're bathed in from cradle to the grave.

Compared to that, what's the actual information that we get on nonviolent action on a day-to-day basis? There's a tiny bit of lip service for MLK Jr and Gandhi, but they're seen as spectacular historical peculiarities, the manner in which their actions and strategies inspired hundreds of leaders leading to the freedom of dozens of countries is almost entirely ignored. There are no nonviolence propagandists with the funding and reach of the pro-violence propagandists, nonviolence narratives barely touch children's programming or mainstream movies, there is no budget for it anything like our weapons budget, and we have no peace colleges on the scale of our war colleges. So people just aren't even exposed, much less educated.

Whenever I bring up nonviolence, just like whenever I bring up socialism, I know that I'm at a distinct disadvantage. I know the vast push of the narrative has been in the other direction, and that human nature is to react off the narratives we know and were raised in rather than to approach the evidence objectively.



My goal is that I surprise at least one person just enough that they watch the video, or read the research paper, and see the data. And that that data surprises them just enough that they begin to think differently about this issue, and wonder if all the assumptions they've made about violence and nonviolence were really driven by reality, or whether they were planted by a lot of people in power with a very specific agenda.

Why nonviolent resistance beats violent force in effecting social, political change

Harvard Professor Erica Chenoweth discovers nonviolent civil resistance is far more successful in effecting change than violent campaigns.

news.harvard.edu

https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/files/IS3301_pp007-044_Stephan_Chenoweth.pdf

 

[itsyoung!!]

This War ain't got JACK SH1T to do with 'Palestine' or the 'Palestinian' people.​

Id wish they ban you from this thread. What a stupid fukking post.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

 

[Walt]

Fetterman is a literal cuck. He used t get high and watch other dudes fukk that hideous narcissistic wife of his. He's also a total phony. Tattooed the Braddock (impoverished, historically black, former steel mill town) zip code on his arm to contrive a working class mythos when he's a trust fund Ivy League kid whose ideas for rebuilding the downtrodden black town amounted to giving a community space to a scamming chef to open up a restaurant that cost like $150 for a fancy schmancy meal, giving his white friends free houses if they'd move in to help gentrify the area, and helping to open a brewery white people would bike to in the summer. Total doofus.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Id wish they ban you from this thread. What a stupid fukking post.

Please explain how Hamas murdering, torturing, and kidnapping civilians is going to do ANYTHING to help 'Palestinians'?​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

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[Dr. Acula]

When Russia annexed Crimea and invaded Ukraine, they didn’t go on a world wide media spin. Their objective was simple and they didn’t care what people thought.

I’ve never seen a country go to great lengths to justify actions against someone else if they felt they were right.

Russia doesn't have the pull of Israel in the west since they never had much of a cultural influence in our part of the world. Also, the perception of Russia in the west is absolutely negative so any attempts at trying to exert influence through media using propaganda via spokespeople and statements in anyway is framed as the opinions of crackpot crazies and therefore immediately labeled illegitimate in the west. Israel on the other hand has people in the west who support them unconditionally (I. E. Most political figures, mainstream media, a lot of the American public, etc...) that overt propaganda is less of a futile exercise for them compare to the Russians. There are people who are more likely to believe the words spoken by an Israeli representive as opposed to a Russia representative. It's because, in the west people view Israel as more legitimate and trustworthy regardless if they actually are or not.

Russia most likely realizes this. Therefore have relied on more covert propaganda campaigns such as buying politicians, dissemination of (mis)information via non-traditional sources, and getting a few in the intelligentsia class in other countries to help disseminate their view point in other countries. They did this with Crimea (ie we are liberating Russia speaking g people) and now, more so, with Ukraine. Whether their arguments are valid, I'm not arguing one way or another. Just stating why it's harder for them to run the same playbook as Israel.