Israel–Hamas War: 10/7/2023 - Present
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Imyremeshaw
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This thread is fascinating, I see a lot of misinformation regarding the Middle East and this situation and a lot of good information that I don't think I need to expand upon. For people who are " both sides," I have a couple questions to ask:
1. According to the Torah, Hebrews/Jews/Israelites fought and killed Canaanites for the Land of Israel, so how can modern-day Jews claim to be natives to land when this is the second time the are displacing a group of people?
2. Based on archaeology records that Jews descend from Canaanites and that the Exodus from Egypt was false (as well as the Torah), cultural Arabs (Al-Adnan) descend from Canaanites as well so they have just as much historical "right" to land as Jews.
3. How is Israel a secular state but has right to return for only "Jews" that haven't been in the land for thousand years, are non-practicing Jews but have more of a claim than Palestinians that lived there 100 years prior?
So many people wanna make this about Judaism versus Islam when it is really a colonizer situation, it's literally that simply. It's why the two (2) state solution is pushed. Realistically, it should be one state for all people of all faiths but Muslims would outnumber Jews and wouldn't serve US interest or allow Jews to be in a position of power.......
1. According to the Torah, Hebrews/Jews/Israelites fought and killed Canaanites for the Land of Israel, so how can modern-day Jews claim to be natives to land when this is the second time the are displacing a group of people?
2. Based on archaeology records that Jews descend from Canaanites and that the Exodus from Egypt was false (as well as the Torah), cultural Arabs (Al-Adnan) descend from Canaanites as well so they have just as much historical "right" to land as Jews.
3. How is Israel a secular state but has right to return for only "Jews" that haven't been in the land for thousand years, are non-practicing Jews but have more of a claim than Palestinians that lived there 100 years prior?
So many people wanna make this about Judaism versus Islam when it is really a colonizer situation, it's literally that simply. It's why the two (2) state solution is pushed. Realistically, it should be one state for all people of all faiths but Muslims would outnumber Jews and wouldn't serve US interest or allow Jews to be in a position of power.......
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You literally contradicted yourself in the same post .
And what of Hamas's and Palestinians war crimes?
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If you truly think that, then nothing you read/see can be trusted. Not even the things you believe to be true.
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The history books will be FLOODED with evidence how much Superpowers have failed Palestine
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It's about to get ugly after that hospital bombing it will wake up a lot of countries that were using the "let's see and wait what happens" approach.
Just look at the list of countries that were against a cease fire.
Just look at the list of countries that were against a cease fire.
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DNA and archaeology puts them there all the way back to ~1200 BCE....
en.m.wikipedia.org
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Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Genetic studies of Jews - Wikipedia
Sure, they do. That's why there are over 2 million Arabs there, now.....
en.m.wikipedia.org
Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia
Arabs can come there. The question you should ask is why aren't they welcome in Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, & Algeria?
Google Fedayeen.
Google Fedayeen.
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If the Jews were given Palestine, why did they need to fight an insurgency?
Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
Why were British putting thousands of Jewish immigrants in camps and killing Jewish leaders if they planned to give Jews Israel?
The British supported the Arab armies in the war with training and arms. The US was largely non participatory as well and was anti-Israel until the 70’s because the Israelis were largely communist sympathizers and more closely aligned ewith the Soviets
Lastly nobody in 1948 considered Jews white lol. The majority of Israelis are of similar ethnicity to Lebanese, Palestinians, Syrians and other Levantine people. A lot of immigrants were from Nortg African countries like Morocco. Only when the Jews were chased off of Eastern Europe did you start seeing a more white admixture.
Jewish exodus from the Muslim world - Wikipedia
Jewish exodus from the Muslim world
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The Jewish exodus from the Muslim world was the migration, departure, flight and expulsion of around 900,000 Jews from Muslim-majority countries in West Asia, North Africa and, to a lesser extent, Central Asia, South Asia and Southeast Asia in the 20th century. Predominantly in response to the creation of Israel, the exodus mainly transpired from 1948 to the early 1970s, with one final exodus from Iran in 1979–80 following the Iranian Revolution. An estimated 650,000 of the departees settled in Israel.
Once again a lot of the middle eastern problems muslims have is self inflicted stupidity and bigotry. But you don’t want to talk about that.
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Imyremeshaw
كن التغير الذي تريد أن تراه في العالم
Thanks @ Dafunkdoc_UnlimitedDNA and archaeology puts them there all the way back to ~1200 BCE....
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Genetic studies of Jews - Wikipedia
Sure, they do. That's why there are over 2 million Arabs there, now.....
Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia
Arabs can come there. The question you should ask is why aren't they welcome in Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, & Algeria?
That post was actually geared toward you....
I'll take Wikipedia with a grain of salt, but if the archaeology evidence shows that the Torah is incorrect, how can you justify the Jews right to return? If you do support the right to return you clearly support Palestineans, right? Jordanians, Lebanese, and other people of Arab descent have the right to return as well and historical Judea/Israel extends to those countries' borders, correct?
Arabs can go to Israel, treated the same as African Americans prior to Civil Rights Act, right? So again I ask why do just Jews have a right to return and treated as first class citizens?
My parents are Moroccan (we black), I don't care for Arabs more than anybody on this forum, being Uregu (berber) we have dealt with some of the same issues as Palestineans and I still DO NOT support the siege against the gazans or colonizing tactics.....
For someone being in the USMC you know more than probably most on this forum, Arabs are the most tribalistic and racist people that ever existed, they lead the playbook for white folks to take over the world, it's not surprising that most Arab countries don't have Palestineans back....
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Yeah, uh huh
What massive war crimes have the Palestinians done to Israel in the last 75 years? Wasn’t aware that the Palestinians had a stable military. Name them?
I think you’re right that nowadays that there is a lot of Israeli support is white supremacy involved. Especially amongst evangelicals. Steve Miller and Ben Shapiro types; white supremacists clearly. However I think US government support should be viewed through a more geopolitical lens.Agree to disagree but you're my guy. Good poster
For instance we support Azerbaijan, a brown Iranian people with a dictator as leader, because they hate Iran. They just ethnically cleansed an historic Armenian community and the US did nothing. The Armenians are Caucasian Christians. We support Turkic Albanians and Kosovars over white Serbs as well. It just depends what the government feels it can get out of a relationship. Israel is a nice forward operating base for US interests that keeps Iran and Syria in check. Sometimes US interests and White supremacy intersect but not always.
et's start with the initial attack on Israel. The infatadah's, rocket attacks on civilians. The list goes on. I freely admit Israel has di e some fukked up shyt. But the Palestinians are neck deep in the same mud with them .
No, I don’t think so, some of you have to stop this dumb smart thing. Israel has been butchering these people for a good chunk of its existence.
You’re not doing anything special but making yourselves look ridiculous. Especially black people who side or defend Israel, it’s the same country that treats it black population like dirt shyt. If the Palestinians weren’t there, they would have been next. I’m not a fan of the arabs either but I won’t be siding with a country that sides with white supremacy.
Exactly what I mean, the average Palestinian don’t have those. Hamas does due to the funding it got from……….wait for it……..Israel
.Israel created its problems, now countless people will die for nothing.
Stop wasting my time
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I ONLY support their right to exist and don't have to justify a 'right to return'. Who they let in (or don't) is their business.
Wrong. They are post-Civil Rights....
www.cfr.org
What to Know About the Arab Citizens of Israel
Arabs represent one-fifth of Israel’s population. Systemic discrimination, outbreaks of communal violence, and the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict continue to strain their ties with Israel’s Jew…
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Well, that makes two of us regarding the siege. As far as 'colonizing tactics', that's a reach using inflammatory language. Had the Arabs agreed to the partition plan in 1947 and not tried to annihilate them in 1948, things might be different, but their hostilities towards one another predate those dates so maybe not.
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