in what regards? racial, educational, religious ?
Islam and Blacks
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Afrikan
Jamaican heritage
Where I'm from there was a huge boom of Islam amongst young black men in the community, comparable to how Islam is prevalent in Philadelphia. This is what introduced me to Islam during my developing years. I was searching for the truth and it took me a long time to get to the essence of the gospel.
The funny this is I had the book that would change my life and set me on the right path sitting in my house since I was born (The Marcus Garvey bio), I had just never taken the time to sit down and read it.
Which Garvey book?
@Kobe24 Why dont you read the Quran and decide for yourself?
https://ia802701.us.archive.org/3/i...nThe/the_QURAN-abdel-haleem-ebook-english.pdf
https://ia802701.us.archive.org/3/i...nThe/the_QURAN-abdel-haleem-ebook-english.pdf
Racism Against Black People
Sahih Muslim5:2334
Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 21, p. 21
A man of B. al-'Ajilan told me that he was told that Gabriel came to the apostle and said, 'There comes to sit with you a black man with long flowing hair, ruddy cheeks, and inflamed eyes like two copper pots. His heart is more gross than a donkey's; he carries your words to the hypocrites, so beware of him.' This, so they say, was the description of Nabtal.[2]
Ishaq:243
"I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk with the Prophet and listen to him. He would carry what he had said to the hypocrites. Nabtal said, 'Muhammad is all ears. If anyone tells him something he believes it.' Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet and say that he is all ears, say, 'Good ears for you.' For those who annoy the Apostle there is a painful punishment."[2]
It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
"Abu Darda reported that the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don't care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don't care. - Ahmad"
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.
"Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them."
"Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)."
Negative Attitudes Against Black Color
Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
Sahih Muslim4:1032
And on the day of resurrection you shall see those who lied against Allah; their faces shall be blackened. Is there not in hell an abode for the proud?
Qur'an39:60
The day will come when some faces will be brightened (lightened) (with joy), while other faces will be darkened (with misery). As for those whose faces are darkened, they will be asked, "Did you not disbelieve after believing? Therefore, suffer the retribution for your disbelief." As for those whose faces are brightened (lightened), they will rejoice in GOD's mercy; they abide therein forever.
but Farac00n told me Islam was the blackman's religion
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Racism Against Black People
Sahih Muslim5:2334
Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 21, p. 21
A man of B. al-'Ajilan told me that he was told that Gabriel came to the apostle and said, 'There comes to sit with you a black man with long flowing hair, ruddy cheeks, and inflamed eyes like two copper pots. His heart is more gross than a donkey's; he carries your words to the hypocrites, so beware of him.' This, so they say, was the description of Nabtal.[2]
Ishaq:243
"I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk with the Prophet and listen to him. He would carry what he had said to the hypocrites. Nabtal said, 'Muhammad is all ears. If anyone tells him something he believes it.' Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet and say that he is all ears, say, 'Good ears for you.' For those who annoy the Apostle there is a painful punishment."[2]
It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
"Abu Darda reported that the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don't care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don't care. - Ahmad"
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.
"Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them."
"Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)."
Negative Attitudes Against Black Color
Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
Sahih Muslim4:1032
And on the day of resurrection you shall see those who lied against Allah; their faces shall be blackened. Is there not in hell an abode for the proud?
Qur'an39:60
The day will come when some faces will be brightened (lightened) (with joy), while other faces will be darkened (with misery). As for those whose faces are darkened, they will be asked, "Did you not disbelieve after believing? Therefore, suffer the retribution for your disbelief." As for those whose faces are brightened (lightened), they will rejoice in GOD's mercy; they abide therein forever.
but Farac00n told me Islam was the blackman's religion
You win
My bad for the late response. My phone stopped working and I'm typing this from a new one.
I suggested you read the Quran and sent you a link. Did you read any?
The Quran is the Islamic Holy book. Those other quotes that you've copied and pasted seem to be from the Hadith. The Hadith is basically a whole lot of sayings that have been attributed to Prophet Muhammad and collected centuries after he died.
The obvious problem that can arise is that when you quote hearsay many times its quoted wrong. If you ever played the game of "telephone" in school you understand how a quote can change in a matter of minutes much less centuries.
Islamiphobes love quoting the Hadith.
You did quote the Quran so that I can be more helpful with:
This doesn't mean that good people turn Caucasian and go to heaven and bad people will turn African and go to hell.
It means on the day of judgement good peoples face will be brightened or glowing. Like if you had a light bulb and turned it on.
Farakhan belongs to the Nation of Islam. Thier beliefs are out of line with mainstream Islam.
I'd go as far as to say you could consider them a different religion and many if not most Muslims would agree. For an easier example: NOI is to Muslims what LDS is to Christians.
Difference Between Islam and the Nation of Islam | Difference Between | Islam vs the Nation of Islam
Muslims follow the prophet Muhammad and not Elijah Muhammad or Wallace Fard.
Islam doesn't promote racism. Islam is the religion of all mankind.
I suggested you read the Quran and sent you a link. Did you read any?
The Quran is the Islamic Holy book. Those other quotes that you've copied and pasted seem to be from the Hadith. The Hadith is basically a whole lot of sayings that have been attributed to Prophet Muhammad and collected centuries after he died.
The obvious problem that can arise is that when you quote hearsay many times its quoted wrong. If you ever played the game of "telephone" in school you understand how a quote can change in a matter of minutes much less centuries.
Islamiphobes love quoting the Hadith.
You did quote the Quran so that I can be more helpful with:
This doesn't mean that good people turn Caucasian and go to heaven and bad people will turn African and go to hell.
It means on the day of judgement good peoples face will be brightened or glowing. Like if you had a light bulb and turned it on.
but Farac00n told me Islam was the blackman's religion
Farakhan belongs to the Nation of Islam. Thier beliefs are out of line with mainstream Islam.
I'd go as far as to say you could consider them a different religion and many if not most Muslims would agree. For an easier example: NOI is to Muslims what LDS is to Christians.
Difference Between Islam and the Nation of Islam | Difference Between | Islam vs the Nation of Islam
Muslims follow the prophet Muhammad and not Elijah Muhammad or Wallace Fard.
Islam doesn't promote racism. Islam is the religion of all mankind.
Don't be so easily fooled these quotes breh. Do your own research. I recommend you read the Quran. It isn't long.
You were easily fooled into converting to Islam and are telling other people not to be easily fooled
@Kobe24 you also mentioned the movie Malcolm X in the original post. Note that for practically the whole movie he was supposed to be "Muslim" he was Nation of Islam (NOI). At the end when he came back from Mecca and wanted to get along with people of different races , he was Muslim named El Hajj Malik El Shabazz. As you saw he was murdered. Many people believe it was by the NOI or people associated with them.
You were easily fooled into converting to Islam and are telling other people not to be easily fooled
I wasn't fooled. Why? Because I read the Quran for myself. I suggest you do the same and maybe your concerns will be addressed.
My IQ is too high to be fooled into joining a religion that has branches that condone terrorism.
Great! You have a high IQ! Read the Quran and maybe we can discuss it. Maybe you're intellect will give you insight on the Quran that I don't have.
I recommend you don't judge a religion based on rag tag psychopaths with guns and bombs.
I wouldn't judge Christianity based on pedophile Catholic priests and those are actually people who are viewed as authority figures and some of the most knowledgable.
It was 14 hundred years ago, around the world everyone and their moma had slaves, don't be niaive. Also the slavery of other nations wasn't exactly the same as the Slavery in America (which mind you is the worst manifestation of slavery ever) these sick cacs even raped their male slaves. Islam had to deal with many issues including slavery, rules where set on how one is to deal with his slaves, you can not mistreat a slave. Slavery was originally established by the Jews and Christans their books even condone it. In Islam the only scenario where someone might become a slave is if they are a POW, no ransom is paid and he dosnt accept Islam and isn't of the people of the book. Everyone else is off bounds. Secondly there are many sins you can obsolve yourself from by freeing a slave, such as missing days of compulsory fasting and other things. You basically had companions of the prophet (PBUH) racing each other and hunting down slaves to free, until there was no more slavery. Also slaves had many rights, the children of slaves could not be slaves. Most of the caliphs during the Ummayd and Abbasid dynasties where the sons of slave mothers. Please educate yourself before you start running your mouths. Now any Muslim or Arab that practiced slavery and mistreated slaves did so on their own, there is nothing Islamic about modern slavery. I'm a black Muslim I know lots of Arabs are racist and I don't even get along with them. Just because I'm Muslim dosent mean I Cape for Ayrabs
