Isiah Thomas declares Lebron is best ever

[DetroitEWarren]

Again you avoid answering the questions. Im asking you questions based off of what you said my guy. It aint hard to answer simple questions. Either you know the answers or you dont.

nikka there was no defenders checking every position back then. Rodman didn't defend bigs until his body filled out post Pistons, his rebounds also jumped when his body filled out. There was no 1-5 defenders and Bron IS NOT A 1-5 defender lmao, he doesn't lock down anyone or any position. He just defends them. It's not good defense and I'm not giving a nikka points just because he does it if he doesn't do it at all elite level. Draymond can actually do that. Bwn Wallace couldn't, Hakeem couldn't, Duncan couldn't, Tony Allen couldn't, ect. Bron is not elite at defending any position, not even the 3. Wtf man lmao. You blowed asf.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

nikka there was no defenders checking every position back then. Rodman didn't defend bigs until his body filled out post Pistons, his rebounds also jumped when his body filled out. There was no 1-5 defenders and Bron IS NOT A 1-5 defender lmao, he doesn't lock down anyone or any position. He just defends them. It's not good defense and I'm not giving a nikka points just because he does it if he doesn't do it at all elite level. Draymond can actually do that. Bwn Wallace couldn't, Hakeem couldn't, Duncan couldn't, Tony Allen couldn't, ect. Bron is not elite at defending any position, not even the 3. Wtf man lmao. You blowed asf.

Again you giving info that isnt needed and not answering the questions that are asked. You dont have to get a steal or a block to play good defense you only need to get a stop. You said MJ was a way better on ball defender than LeBron. if you are primarily guarding the other teams 3rd or 4th best offensive players isnt that going to make you look like an incredible on ball defender?

And another thing some teams best offensive players arent guards so why are you singling out guards? Bron can guard 1-4 comfortably wouldnt you agree? MJ cant. so dont single out guards when were trying to see if mj was primarily guarding the other teams 3rd or 4th best offensive players because guards werent always the other teams best scorers right?

Where do you see "Bron is a 1-5 defender"? Bron guards the 1-4 comfortably. Being able to guard the 1-4 is definitely better than only being able to guard 1s and 2s also right or is being more versatile a negative on defense? But since your bringing up 5s also he can definitely get a stop or 2 on a 5. And you acting like Bron never played elite defense is crazy breh.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

BJ Armstrong or Gacy was defending the best player? Gervin? Hodges? Paxon King didn't defend guards and was slightly above average.

So as you are once again making shyt up, who was the primary defender for 6 years, while MJ was regarded as the best player on the planet on both ends?

Its funny that you bring up a small guard like Armstrong guarding the best player. Not to long ago they was comparing Abdul Rauf to Curry and I posted a game from 98 i think (when Mj was the best player in the world like you mentioned) Abdul Rauf was torching Jordan and i think he may have got a foul or 2 on him early also. They switched Pippen on to him he was shooting his lights out too. They ended up putting little old Steve kerr on him. So while you tried to be funny when you were asking who would be defending the other teams best offensive players it isnt like we havent seen them throw any old player out there when that ELITE on ball defense you talking about aint elite lmaoooo. Not really on topic but its funny that you tried to sneak old bj in there

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Again you giving info that isnt needed and not answering the questions that are asked. You dont have to get a steal or a block to play good defense you only need to get a stop. You said MJ was a way better on ball defender than LeBron. if you are primarily guarding the other teams 3rd or 4th best offensive players isnt that going to make you look like an incredible on ball defender?


Where do you see "Bron is a 1-5 defender"? Bron guards the 1-4 comfortably. Being able to guard the 1-4 is definitely better than only being able to guard 1s and 2s also right or is being more versatile a negative on defense? But since your bringing up 5s also he can definitely get a stop or 2 on a 5. And you acting like Bron never played elite defense is crazy breh.

Elite defense is just different, obviously we see this differently. I hate that you keep making up this 3rd or 4th best player shyt because it's a finesse strategy. MJ guarded the best 1-2-or 3 every night, multiple times. Pre Scottie, he guarded the best 1-2-3 as the primary. The 1-2-3 position was less stacked than the 4 and 5, but he guarded Stockton, he guarded Price, he guarded Gary, he guarded Bernard, he guarded Drexler, he got matched up with Bird a lot, he was the primary defender on Magic multiple times, he used to embarrass Ron Harper and he couldn't move vs Jordan, he defended Penny, ect.

You are trying to use the versatile defender talk and at the same time trying to say Jordan wasn't the primary defender because he was able to roam . It's fukking ignorant. MJ sat down on every perimeter player in the game and also got switched on bigs, because you know, THATS HOW BASKETBALL WORKS. He's stopped bigs down low or stripped them on the way up or got they shyt in the air.

You can't have it both ways fam. MJ as the primary defender has seen Drexler or Penny or Glenn Rob just as much as Bron seen Durant or Wade or Harden 1 on 1. The talent pool just wasn't as deep.

 

[reserved_one]

I’m surprised Isiah hasn’t put a hit on MJ at this point. He hate that nikka with an passion.

I think MJ and LeBron are equals. Kobe belongs in the conversation too. I’ll even throw Duncan in even if his game wasn’t aesthetically pleasing to watch.

 

[god shamgod]

Before last dance jordan was the greatest Isiah ever seen

Thomas was asked to rank the top five players he ever faced, and while many people regard Jordan as the greatest basketball player of all time, he didn’t even crack the former Detroit Pistons star’s top three. Thomas ranked Jordan fourth, ahead of Julius “Dr. J” Erving but behind, in descending order, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.

After the last dance bitter bytch nikka changed his whole opinion after that doc

 

[RoCKetSity256]

Elite defense is just different, obviously we see this differently. I hate that you keep making up this 3rd or 4th best player shyt because it's a finesse strategy. MJ guarded the best 1-2-or 3 every night, multiple times. Pre Scottie, he guarded the best 1-2-3 as the primary. The 1-2-3 position was less stacked than the 4 and 5, but he guarded Stockton, he guarded Price, he guarded Gary, he guarded Bernard, he guarded Drexler, he got matched up with Bird a lot, he was the primary defender on Magic multiple times, he used to embarrass Ron Harper and he couldn't move vs Jordan, he defended Penny, ect.

You are trying to use the versatile defender talk and at the same time trying to say Jordan wasn't the primary defender because he was able to roam . It's fukking ignorant. MJ sat down on every perimeter player in the game and also got switched on bigs, because you know, THATS HOW BASKETBALL WORKS. He's stopped bigs down low or stripped them on the way up or got they shyt in the air.

You can't have it both ways fam. MJ as the primary defender has seen Drexler or Penny or Glenn Rob just as much as Bron seen Durant or Wade or Harden 1 on 1. The talent pool just wasn't as deep.

And thats part of my argument im trying to make the PGs werent always the best scorers on the team PGs were facilitators alot of the time feeding the inside 1st and playing inside out. So if you guarding someone like Stockton who is trying to get 20 assists and not really 20 points saying you playing on ball on stockton isnt really stalling their offense because he wants to pass anyway. Even if mike was guarding a 1 or a 2 everynight that doesnt mean hes guarding one of the teams best scorers. I brought up the roaming because you brought up stats the blocks and steals. Thats why i said you dont have to get a block or steal to play good defense you need stops period it doesnt matter how they come but if you are allowed to roam on defense it enables you to run those 2 stats the fukk up.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

And thats part of my argument im trying to make the PGs werent always the best scorers on the team PGs were facilitators alot of the time feeding the inside 1st and playing inside out. So if you guarding someone like Stockton who is trying to get 20 assists and not really 20 points saying you playing on ball on stockton isnt really stalling their offense because he wants to pass anyway. Even if mike was guarding a 1 or a 2 everynight that doesnt mean hes guarding one of the teams best scorers. I brought up the roaming because you brought up stats the blocks and steals. Thats why i said you dont have to get a block or steal to play good defense you need stops period it doesnt matter how they come but if you are allowed to roam on defense it enables you to run those 2 stats the fukk up.

You will roam when you have the quick twitches to strip nikkas and hop passing lanes quickly, it's just something Bron can't do on the levels of a Wade or Jordan or even Iverson (not the blocks with AI doe). He never did it, no matter if he could roam or not. Battier got all the matchups on MIA, Wade is an all time great at that shyt and his defensive STATS got better. BRON JUST IS NOT GOOD AT THIS lol. Wade averaged more steals and blocks than Bron every single season they were both in the league, and together.

Has nothing to do with era or competition. Bron is fast, not quick. It's a huge difference my guy. It's that simple lol.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

You will roam when you have the quick twitches to strip nikkas and hop passing lanes quickly, it's just something Bron can't do on the levels of a Wade or Jordan or even Iverson (not the blocks with AI doe). He never did it, no matter if he could roam or not. Battier got all the matchups on MIA, Wade is an all time great at that shyt and his defensive STATS got better. BRON JUST IS NOT GOOD AT THIS lol. Wade averaged more steals and blocks than Bron every single season they were both in the league, and together.

Has nothing to do with era or competition. Bron is fast, not quick. It's a huge difference my guy. It's that simple lol.

Im not even trying to imply that Bron was better or even close to mj at getting passing lanes steals or getting strips or blocks from help defending. Im just implying that was where alot of Jordans steals and blocks came from. Because he was able to roam because he didnt have to guard an elite scorer on a nightly basis. I didnt agree with what you said about on ball defending because in my opinion MJ wasnt guarding an elite scorer most nights so ofcourse his on ball defense is going to look elite when you arent guarding elite scorers most of the time. The nba being deeper with talent in Brons era combined with him being able to guard more positions means it was more common for him to guard a scorer because teams had more scorers than a team would have in mjs era. When it comes to you not thinking Bron wasnt ever an elite defender we just have to agree to disagree though

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Im not even trying to imply that Bron was better or even close to mj at getting passing lanes steals or getting strips or blocks from help defending. Im just implying that was where alot of Jordans steals and blocks came from. Because he was able to roam because he didnt have to guard an elite scorer on a nightly basis. I didnt agree with what you said about on ball defending because in my opinion MJ wasnt guarding an elite scorer most nights so ofcourse his on ball defense is going to look elite when you arent guarding elite scorers most of the time. The nba being deeper with talent in Brons era combined with him being able to guard more positions means it was more common for him to guard a scorer because teams had more scorers than a team would have in mjs era. When it comes to you not thinking Bron wasnt ever an elite defender we just have to agree to disagree though

Ok I'll take that back. Bron had times as an elite defender, but he can only defend the 3 on an elite level because he has literally got 30 put on him by multiple players. Bigs, smalls, 3's, 4's. Yes, he has to deal with more talent, he's also never been assigned to the best player for a game or series, not even as a youth. He didn't guard Pierce, he didn't guard TMac, he didn't guard Kobe. Literally ever as the primary defender. Not a single time. His teams have also had a bunch of 30/40/50 points games against him by the best player.

Bron had always had the ability to roam because he ALSO has always been matched up on the weakest nikka on the court. In the 90's you did actually guard your assignment, but as we know the 2 guard was kinda weak back then. Still, Drexler never scored 40 on MJ, Penny only scored 30 on MJ once, Ron Harper shot under 40% in half the games vs Mike. Gary also struggled against MJ and MJ locked down Reggie too.

Bron was in the league before the 3 ball and spread offenses. Jordan always was a lockdown defender on ball and the GOAT help defender the day he walked in the league. MJ has a HUGE advantage in that area, and he was a better on ball defender. Brons defensive versatility doesn't match up to that imo and it's not really close. However, I do admit, Bron was a great defender with Miami and good the 2nd Cleveland run. Before and after is nothing to brag about.

 

[fifth column]

Lebron is by far the greatest Basketball player.


Jordan is really just a bunch a highlights. No down by 15 in the 4th comeback stories. Like what's jordan best game? Jordan teams were always waaayyy better than the rest of the league. What all time great time did Jordan beat? None.

You right MJ never folded like a cheap tent in the finals like Lebron.

 

[Ozymandeas]

You don't become the GOAT because people keep arguing for you.

You become the GOAT when your play makes it undisputed.

Tom Brady became the GOAT when he came down from 28-3 and won his 5th SuperBowl.

Jordan was already talked about as the GOAT in 1991 but, he became the GOAT after his first three-peat.

It's hilarious watching Bron Stans squirm and squirm to make it happen and it never will

 

[fifth column]

You don't become the GOAT because people keep arguing for you.

You become the GOAT when you play makes it undisputed.

Tom Brady became the GOAT when he came down from 28-3 and won his 5th SuperBowl.

Jordan was already talked about as the GOAT in 1991 but, he became the GOAT after his first three-peat.

It's hilarious watching Bron Stans squirm and squirm to make it happen and it never will

Lebron campaigning for goat when he had 22 years to earn it. He’s still playing as a old man cause he failed to do what he was supposed to.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Lebron campaigning for goat when he had 22 years to earn it. He’s still playing as a old man cause he failed to do what he was supposed to.

Yep. I know he got love for Steph now, especially after the Olympics, but he gonna always hold a little contempt for his ass

Bron would've had 6-7 rings if Steph didn't exist. He legit might've won four championships in a row (2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) and really built Cleveland into a dynasty. There's another universe out there where LeBron did do that and in that universe, I would agree that he was better than Jordan. But Steph did exist lol.

 

[fifth column]

Yep. I know he got love for Steph now, especially after the Olympics, but he gonna always hold a little contempt for his ass

Bron would've had 6-7 rings if Steph didn't exist. He legit might've won four championships in a row (2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) and really built Cleveland into a dynasty. There's another universe out there where LeBron did do that and in that universe, I would agree that he was better than Jordan. But Steph did exist lol.

He tried to chase chips by taking the easy route building super teams and still came up short. I don’t know what his stans are arguing about goat shyt for. They lack awareness