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Mario Chalmers is NOT a superstar...he's barely a star
Without LeBron, there's a distinct possibility that he'd be on the Bucks or D League the way he makes mistakes on the floor
Isiah Thomas: "A Superstar Is A Guy That Has Won Championships"(Video)
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Without LeBron, there's a distinct possibility that he'd be on the Bucks or D League the way he makes mistakes on the floor
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Superstar
He's not he's on the same level as a Moe Williams
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
Nobody went to the games. That's why the ABA folded. Dr J was a superstar because of how he played, his style on and off the court and his influence on other players that came after him.
Superstar & Hall of Fame player are being used way too loosely. It used to be very exclusive, but no longer is because it's like everybody's dying to label players as superstars & HOFers.
There's no middle ground in almost any argument anymore - sports, music, etc. A person can't just be good or very good.
There's no middle ground in almost any argument anymore - sports, music, etc. A person can't just be good or very good.
*didn't expect a First Take link*
*doesn't watch*
*Sees Chris was 22,12 throught 6 games*
*Not a superstar*
*doesn't watch*
*Looks at screenshot*
*Sees Chris was 22,12 throught 6 games*
*Not a superstar*
Grand opening....
That logic is stupid, what about the dudes who were in LA for 9 years and came second place to Celtic 7 times?
Basketball is a teamsport, while every player has more influence than a soccer or football player there is no definitive way to say who's superstar, a goat etc. It's the whole packade and titles is just a heavy variable in the equation.
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melo isn't considered a superstar but he's been to the WCF
cp3 is considered a superstar and the best pg in the game but he's never been out the 2nd round
harden is considered is superstar and the best sg in the game but has never been out the 1st round as the #1 option
cp3 is considered a superstar and the best pg in the game but he's never been out the 2nd round
harden is considered is superstar and the best sg in the game but has never been out the 1st round as the #1 option
The fact that nobody went to games doesn't change the fact that the ABA was filled with professional players, many of whom were hall of famers. Dr. Jay didn't dominate a bunch of bums. He played in a league that had players like Moses Malone, Connie Hawkins, Artis Gilmore, George Gervin, Rick Barry, David Thompson, Mel Daniels and more. A lot of these players went on to dominate in the NBA in the NBA as well.
So it's not like these ABA players were excelling in the ABA and then went to the NBA and stunk it up. The ABA didn't succeed due to many factors, the main being the lack of TV contract, however, the ABA was created with the intention in mind of forcing a merger with the NBA and it worked, for the most part. As far as many people are concerned Dr. J is a three time professional basketball champion, 2 with the ABA and 1 with the NBA - you shouldn't degrade his legacy by discounting his ABA titles.
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
But Dr. J became a superstar because of how he played. He WAS the ABA. He carried the league. And ABA titles don't carry the same weight as an NBA title. Just like Jordan in the 80's before he won titles made him a superstar. Winning titles is a team and organizational effort. Isaiah Thomas is just hating. He act like he carried the Pistons to those titles. In the 60's70's and 80's, teams were stacked. I mean the Boston Celtics had HOF's in their entire starting 5 and coming off the bench. That will never happen again because of free agency and the salary cap. The only thing that will come close to that is if players do what Lebron Wade and Bosh did and with the new salary cap the NBA has effectively stopped that.
And arguably other than Kareem, who was the NBA in the 70s???? The most exciting and dynamic player of that decade played in the ABA!!! Along with other All-Star caliber players....yes the NBA was the premier league no one is arguing that, however to suggest in one breath that ABA titles aren't important and then praise Dr. J in the other is contradictory.
Dr. J was exciting because of his style of play, yes I agree. However, his style of play means NOTHING if he's dominating a bunch of bums which he wasn't!!!
The very first dunk contest was in the ABA, as well as the three-point line. The NBA adopted that from the ABA, along with its great players.
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
He still needed an NBA title to validate his legacy. Which brings me to another point. NBA titles are something we judge great players on when they retire. Being a "superstar" player is all about how that player is marketed to the general public. Iverson never won a title but he was still a superstar because his name rang out with casual fans and people in other countries. He was a celebrity. Barkley never won a title but he was still a superstar. David Robinson was named to the 50 greatest list before Tim Duncan got there. Being the best player on a championship team doesn't make you a superstar. The Lakers and Celtics own just about half of the NBA titles. Isaiah Thomas is just talking a bunch of fukkery. he played during an era when there was no free agency like it is today and when players went to school for 4 years. Its different era's.
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ExodusNirvana
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You're retarded, you think Mario Chalmers is a star?