Isaiah 41:10 - Al Will Strengthen You and Help You: Official 2016-17 Boston Celtics Season Thread

[kingdarius]

when OP changing that thread title

 

[SchoolboyC]

Celts team gonna be a fun watch next season

Kyrie and Hayward in Stevens system gonna be beautiful.

Tatum and Brown getting minutes too

Yeah. I think they could've used those assets to get someone who filled a need more, but the offense should potent. Defense on the other hand...

 

[DIMES]

fukk it. Guess it's time to start the Kyrie Irving MVP campaign

Kyrie couldn't even lead the cavs 2nd unit ... tough break

 

[SchoolboyC]

Kyrie couldn't even lead the cavs 2nd unit ... tough break

Think it's safe to say Gordon Hayward & Al Horford are better than Iman Shumpert & Channing Frye

 

[JarrodG]

Fair trade for both teams

 

[Tide Run This]

Kyrie to Celtics confirmed

 

[Listen]

Let me just say......Danny just did something incredible.

He traded the old big 3 guys for all the picks.

Then he traded for two under utilized upside players on cheap contracts in Jae Crowder and IT.

He gave them a chance to showcase themselves while helping the team become respectable.

He turned that respectability into Al Hortford agreeing to sign.

They then got that mixed with Stevens to get Hayward to sign.

Then he flipped the low cost underappreciated guys for Kyrie.

Let's give the man some credit here.

 

[Somebody]

we came down on the player for going to the team he lost to, now do we blame management for trading with the organization that beat them? or we jus gon let the double standard rock?










edit:

Spoiler

knicks lost

 

[William F. Russell]

Let me just say......Danny just did something incredible.

He traded the old big 3 guys for all the picks.

Then he traded for two under utilized upside players on cheap contracts in Jae Crowder and IT.

He gave them a chance to showcase themselves while helping the team become respectable.

He turned that respectability into Al Hortford agreeing to sign.

They then got that mixed with Stevens to get Hayward to sign.

Then he flipped the low cost underappreciated guys for Kyrie.

Let's give the man some credit here.

I really don't understand how posters in the Coliseum acted like Boston took steps backwards with this trade. At first I was pissed, then I became apprehensive about it. But after sleeping on it and giving it some thought, Ainge may have just made a masterstroke of personnel decision.

We went from a starting lineup of IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford and Amir Johnson to one with Kyrie, Smart/Brown, Gordon, Morris and Horford. And we have Tatum and Rozier off the bench. But somehow we got worse?:jaecrowder:

These Coli nikkas don't know what they're talking about.

 

[William F. Russell]

I feel sad though. First, I was excited that they traded for [Irving]…but man, sports is cruel. There is just no loyalty in sports. This is the reverse of KD going from Oklahoma City to Golden State. He’s a traitor, he’s sold out the fans. The flip side of that is sports is a business. This is the example for why [Durant] should do that. Isaiah Thomas, who becomes a folk hero in Boston – every kid under age 15 has his jersey, he has this unbelievable season, he’s an MVP candidate last season, he gets hurt, he play’s hurt in the playoffs, has a tragic death of his sister, plays through it anyway, we go through an emotional roller-coaster ride, they finally shut him down in round three, bled Celtic green…now he’s gone. We have to start there, right? That’s the biggest thing in all this.

I’m trying to be dispassionate, because I loved Isaiah and I loved rooting for him. He was a borderline All-Star until December of last year, when he put together three of the best months I’ve ever seen a pro player have. He just went to seven other levels. If you look at the season he had, historically, it’s one of the top-1o most efficient seasons anyone’s ever had. If think there were durability issues that the Celtics were worried about. He takes a lot of hits. He’s small. He got hurt in March, never really got back. He had the hip thing. They claim the hip’s going to be alright. One year left on his contract for $6 million.

Bill Simmons explained why Isaiah Thomas was so special to Celtics fans

I'm going to miss IT

 

[William F. Russell]

Here is a list of everything to pay attention to in order to monitor how those bets play out:

• Kyrie Irving- Whether or not Irving has a jump in production left in him, is able to become a more passable defender, and/or wants to stay in Boston long-term are probably the most important factors to be considered. For the Celtics to win this deal, they likely need Irving to be a superstar for a number of years.
• Isaiah Thomas- How Thomas plays next year, whether or not he stays in Cleveland, the size of his next contract, and how he performs over the life of that deal are all critical pieces of information in assessing this transaction, and they’re inseparable from his health and age.
• Lebron James- Making this deal is a smaller gamble if Lebron really is going to move on to L.A. next summer.
• Jae Crowder- This is tied to the point above. Crowder is a very good basketball player, and exactly the kind of switchable wing the Cavs need to better match up with the Warriors. If he improves Cleveland’s chances against Golden State, it might influence James’ free agency decision.
• Nets Pick- This is probably the biggest roll of the dice in the whole trade (and there are plenty here). Brooklyn isn’t going to be very good next year, but they won’t be as abjectly horrible as in the past two seasons. If their pick comes in the 6-10 range this trade is a lot more palatable than if it’s 1-5.
• Lakers Pick- This isn’t a part of the deal, but basically, if the Lakers pick the Celtics own next year winds up being better than the Nets pick, that will go a long way towards pleasing the masses.
• Jayson Tatum- Including the pick instead of Tatum, whom Cleveland wanted, means Ainge is confident that his ceiling is higher than that of whomever will ultimately be available with the pick (there’s more nuance to this calculation than I’ve laid out here, but the general premise holds).
• Ante Zizic- Zizic was a salary match throw in, and looked fairly terrible in Summer League, but that doesn’t mean he can’t turn into a good player. It isn’t that likely he will swing this trade in one direction, but his inclusion isn’t nothing.

To the pessimist, that’s a lot of things that could go wrong for Boston. To the optimist it’s a lot of things that could go right. To anyone it’s a list with an awful lot of variability, which is likely why there are so many different opinions on the deal. It’s impossible to debate the trade without nuance, which, sadly, makes discussing it on Twitter fairly challenging.

Boston Celtics trade for Kyrie Irving: The Spectrum of Possible Outcomes

 

[HumbertoWCA]

We went from a starting lineup of IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford and Amir Johnson to one with Kyrie, Smart/Brown, Gordon, Morris and Horford. And we have Tatum and Rozier off the bench. But somehow we got worse?

It was a good trade without nets pick but this offseason we lost Bradley to get Morris we are still going to lose the rebounds yes the team is better but i feel that the Irving trade was moving sideways but we lost a draft pick on that move.

 

[William F. Russell]

It was a good trade without nets pick but this offseason we lost Bradley to get Morris we are still going to lose the rebounds yes the team is better but i feel that the Irving trade was moving sideways but we lost a draft pick on that move.

Yeah the Nets pick may fukk Boston over but there's also a decent chance that the pick lands outside the top 5.

Bradley's loss hurts but he was eventually going to demand max money and the Cs felt that he wasn't worth max money (as great as a defender and spot up shooter as he is).

Ballsy move by Ainge but I think we'll come out better for it....eventually.

 

[William F. Russell]

 

[e001]

Them moves
That defense though