Siakam Spins & The Cs Grin: Official Pacers (#6) vs. Celtics (#1) Eastern Conference Finals Thread

[RubioTheCruel]

There's no "run" coming for the Pacers. They don't have "next". Like I said earlier, they remind me of the Trae Young Hawks. Made it to the ECF one year on a magical run and have been plagued by awful defense and roster shortcomings since.


Haliburton and Nembhard might be the worst backcourt in the league defensively. When things tighten up in the playoffs you can't rely on those shinny regular season offensive numbers.

If the Pacers knew how to inbound a basketball or their coach knew how to use their timeouts properly, this is still a series. Pacers have talent and are deep. They'll be around for a while

 

[Rigby.]

Thibs had the right evaluation on him and I remember some Knicks fans melting down like they traded a superstar when they moved him

He's absolutely not a wing, so he's forced to play the 4, and he's a 4 that's a dreadful defender and doesn't rebound
That's not to say he doesn't do anything well, he's a better 3PT shooter than I thought he would be but he can't start. He's a backup 4 and unless he improves his defense and rebounding that's all he's gonna be

Yeah he needs to be like…Al-Faroq Aminu, but he doesn’t do the dirty stuff well, no D, not a great rebounder. But that’s who he needs to be

 

[Copy Ninja]

If the Pacers knew how to inbound a basketball or their coach knew how to use their timeouts properly, this is still a series. Pacers have talent and are deep. They'll be around for a while

Yeah the Pacers played good ball all series except for the last 3 minutes of the games. They just lost their composure when the possessions became really critical most likely due to lack of experience. The C's went through the same thing early on in Tatum and Browns career. Worst thing they could do is overreact and blow the it up. They need a veteran in there that will calm things down when it's going 100mph in the closing minutes and they now have experience.

 

[daemonova]

 

[UpAndComing]

It’s not goalpost moving at all. Look at his playoff numbers offensively and you’ll see it for yourself.

He was asked to player a bigger role offensively in Milwaukee that he wasn’t suited for due to Middleton being injured. He’s not built to be a #2 option like Milwaukee was asking him to do.

Some of his have been saying this about Jrue for a long while now even before this current playoff run.

We’re not going to sit here and let this playoff run act like the narrative wasn’t out there beforehand because we can easily pull receipts and show it.

This you??

It would help if Jrue actually showed up tonight offensively and isn't his usual mehhh playoff self.

Regular season he is yes, but he falls off a cliff for whatever reason come playoff time.

True, but for how good Jrue has been in the regular season, he falls off a cliff performance wise in the playoffs so I can see why they thought Dame would be an upgrade in that aspect.

I still think they would have struggled this season and had some of the same issues even if Jrue was still there.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

This you??

YES

Regular season Jrue typically doesn't carry over to the playoffs and the offensive numbers show it. He did a damn good job the past couple years he had in the regular season with the Bucks in being a #2 with Middleton out with injury. Unfortunately, he couldn't handle that load in the playoffs as he was being asked to be that guy behind Giannis.

He's not playing the same role with Boston that he was asked of Milwaukee and it's disingenous to sit here and try and say otherwise.

Again, we're not going to sit here and act like you and other Boston posters weren't making these same previous statements about Jrue, so don't switch it up now that he's on your team.

 

[UpAndComing]

YES

Regular season Jrue typically doesn't carry over to the playoffs and the offensive numbers show it. He did a damn good job the past couple years he had in the regular season with the Bucks in being a #2 with Middleton out with injury. Unfortunately, he couldn't handle that load in the playoffs as he was being asked to be that guy behind Giannis.

He's not playing the same role with Boston that he was asked of Milwaukee and it's disingenous to sit here and try and say otherwise.

Again, we're not going to sit here and act like you and other Boston posters weren't making these same previous statements about Jrue, so don't switch it up now that he's on your team.

Oh really??

He got cooked because they Jrue on an island with no secondary defensive help. Bud's defensive schemes constantly did that with no adjustments
The irony is that Adrian Griffin's defensive schemes would actually benefit Jrue much better

But I'm not a Bucks fan, so happy he's on the Celtics lol

Ironically this is exactly where I blame Bud. Defensively they left Jrue Holiday on an island to defend Jimmy Butler. Bud had that weird defense where all of the bigs camped in the paint, leaving Jrue by himself

You can watch the JJ Reddikk podcast where Khris Middleton mentioned that Bud's game plan was to put Jimmy on single coverage with no help

It doesn't matter if you are prime Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest.. you don't leave 1 defender to guard a great scorer, especially on a scoring streak like Jimmy. That's irresponsible and idotic

And even more ironic is that Adrian Griffin's style of defense was more about trapping and pressure on the perimeter, something that made more sense. But the Bucks players hated it and fired him

This is an earlier post in this thread about Coach Bud being an idiot when defending Jimmy Butler in the playoffs

Jrue is also good on PF and Centers. Not sure you watch alot of him. This season for the Celtics he's been in the dunker's spot and playing zone as the backline of the defense. Played very well against Embiid, Julius Randle, KAT, etc

Celtics are using him amazingly this season

Any more

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Oh really??








Any more

You're talking about defensively, while I'm strictly referring to Jrue on offensive in the playoffs.

I've made that point clear in multiple threads.

Jrue doesn't have to take on as much of an offensive load in Boston as he did in Milwaukee who was asking him to be their 2nd best player on offense. That makes a difference.

 

[UpAndComing]

You're talking about defensively, while I'm strictly referring to Jrue on offensive in the playoffs.

I've made that point clear in multiple threads.

Jrue doesn't have to take on as much of an offensive load in Boston as he did in Milwaukee who was asking him to be their 2nd best player on offense. That makes a difference.

Stop juezling. NOW you want to add context

It was a dumbass narrative to begin with. When has Jrue Holiday ever been asked to be a #1 or #2 option on a consistent basis? Outside of his first couple years as a Sixer, and maybe that 2022 playoffs when Middleton got injured

Celtics got him specifically for his defense, and to be a floor general, any points he got was a bonus. Even with all this information, you STILL jumped out the window to shyt on him this year for his "Playoff Jrue" criticism. When his classic clutch playoff moments have always been on the defensive end






Find another narrative. This one is tired

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Stop juezling. NOW you want to add context

It was a dumbass narrative to begin with. When has Jrue Holiday ever been asked to be a #1 or #2 option on a consistent basis? Outside of his first couple years as a Sixer, and maybe that 2022 playoffs when Middleton got injured

Celtics got him specifically for his defense, and to be a floor general, any points he got was a bonus. Even with all this information, you STILL jumped out the window to shyt on him this year for his "Playoff Jrue" criticism. When his classic clutch playoff moments have always been on the defensive end






Find another narrative. This one is tired

I've had these same notions and opinions about Jrue's offense in the playoffs for years now, so don't even try it. You were the one that brought Jrue's defensive into the topic of discussion when I was strictly referring to his offense and made that entirely clear

We have years worth of track number of how his offense falls off a cliff in the playoffs compared to the regular season and exactly why they brought in Dame in the first place.

We know why the Celtics brought him in and it's not to be in the exact same role that he was asked of in Milwaukee, which is exactly as I said you jumped on the offensive about it

 

[UpAndComing]

I've had these same notions and opinions about Jrue's offense in the playoffs for years now, so don't even try it. You were the one that brought Jrue's defensive into the topic of discussion when I was strictly referring to his offense and made that entirely clear

We have years worth of track number of how his offense falls off a cliff in the playoffs compared to the regular season and exactly why they brought in Dame in the first place.

We know why the Celtics brought him in and it's not to be in the exact same role that he was asked of in Milwaukee, which is exactly as I said you jumped on the offensive about it

A defensive floor general point guard's offense "falls off a cliff" in the playoffs

WHO CARES!!??

And you are now adding context when you said in your posts and I quote, "Jrue Holiday falls off a cliff come playoff time performance wise". Nothing about defense or offense. But go ahead and keep digging that hole and juelz some more

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

A defensive floor general point guard's offense "falls off a cliff" in the playoffs

WHO CARES!!??

And you are now adding context when you said in your posts and I quote, "Jrue Holiday falls off a cliff come playoff time performance wise". Nothing about defense or offense. But go ahead and keep digging that hole and juelz some more

If posters want to use the logic that defense should be accounted for when voting for MVP, then it should count towards All NBA and Jrue deserves one of those guard spots.

He also needs to carry that over the playoffs as that hasn’t been the career thus far in his career and that’s no shot at him at all.

I literally said this about Jrue last year before that Miami series even started, while also even making an argument for him for All NBA team, yet you want to sit here and act like my opinions about his playoff performances just started

 

[UpAndComing]

Shout out to the Pacers. Only the casuals want to act like Pacers were "not a tough test" for anyone in the league

That F*cking Michael Jordan offense

 

[dhamightyquinn]

You can see how much this means to JB

SAS can eat a dikk.... c00n shyt!

 

[Mʀ2ᴋDᴇᴇᴢ]

Wrong Thread lol