Is wolverine a better fighter than Captain America? ( Marvel rates capt fight skill 6 wolvie 7)

[parallax]

that's some new stuff, i read the comics back in the 90s. If they turned him into some martial artist since then my point is moot. But going off classic spiderman and cap. He doesn't have any fighting styles that he learned from shang chi.

it exists now. so if he lost his powers, he would be able to lean on that as well

although the reality is neither one of them would be effective in combat without their buffs because their buffs are what make the skills work

 

[Luke Cage]

it exists now. so if he lost his powers, he would be able to lean on that as well

although the reality is neither one of them would be effective in combat without their buffs because their buffs are what make the skills work

It exists now, in that particular universe. Since i no longer read the comics like that anymore, i really consider the movies the main canon. when i did read the comics i preferred the ultimates universe and he didn't have it in there either. But regardless, a 110lb mma fighter is beating a 110lb highschool science student in a one on one easily.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Cap and T'Challa could both beat wolverine in a hand to hand since they're both tied. I believe taskmaster is the best hand to hand fighter though if we're talking pure hand skills, no powers.

 

[parallax]

It exists now, in that particular universe. Since i no longer read the comics like that anymore, i really consider the movies the main canon. when i did read the comics i preferred the ultimates universe and he didn't have it in there either. But regardless, a 110lb mma fighter is beating a 110lb highschool science student in a one on one easily.

what? why? and even if he has the knowledge, he wouldnr have the muscle memory anymore since the muscles that he used to execute those moves dont exist

 

[Luke Cage]

what? why? and even if he has the knowledge, he wouldnr have the muscle memory anymore since the muscles that he used to execute those moves dont exist

Because i no longer have time to keep up with all the series reboots and alternate universes and everything. Spiderman was introduced in 1962, i'm not reading 58 years of comics just to keep up with a lesson he took from shang chi one time. The MCU has a good thing going, so imma let them but final journey i'm taking with these characters before i officially retire from comicbook fandom.

also Neither one would have the same muscles.?

 

[parallax]

Because i no longer have time to keep up with all the series reboots and alternate universes and everything. Spiderman was introduced in 1962, i'm not reading 58 years of comics just to keep up with a lesson he took from shang chi one time. The MCU has a good thing going, so imma let them but final journey i'm taking with these characters before i officially retire.

also Neither one would have the same muscles.?

exactly. but im not pushing in favor of non powered pete. its just that cap would be ineffective at fighting anything other than children without the serum in his veins

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

I was laughing when I saw that. . .I just looked it up and . . . well shyt.

Catset lost and won at the same damn time

I typically stay away from fights outside the characters main universe. There is no way in hell black cat should be beating up sabertooth, but a Spider-Man book would make since it nerfed him. Sabertooth doesn’t need to see to fight as his sense are more keen then wolverines who is basically a bloodhound. Plus sabertooth doesn’t bit his opponents that is the first time I’ve ever seen that.

this was like when someone told me that squirrel girl beat dr. Doom and I was and then I read the issue and was

A couple of things here. Marvel is shared universe. Always has been, so that's still main universe for them. shyt is practically no different from this very thread topic really. 2ndly, Black Cat also got some sort of Super Soldier variant at some point too, so if she had that, she could stand toe-to-toe against Sabretooth for sure. Thing is tho, was this issue before or after that situation happened?

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

It exists now, in that particular universe. Since i no longer read the comics like that anymore, i really consider the movies the main canon. when i did read the comics i preferred the ultimates universe and he didn't have it in there either. But regardless, a 110lb mma fighter is beating a 110lb highschool science student in a one on one easily.

Man...just take the L on this one. You sounding silly right now with this one dawg, LOL!

Hell, let's even just give your off logic of "only MCU verse applies" standpoint here. MCU Steve was not a normal human before juice, just as it wasn't in the comic. He was a malnourished, boy child. Peter at least was normal human size. Steve w/o juice would have no effect behind his punches, even if he somehow kept the knowledge that he gained before getting de-juiced.

 

[nightwing2016]

A couple of things here. Marvel is shared universe. Always has been, so that's still main universe for them. shyt is practically no different from this very thread topic really. 2ndly, Black Cat also got some sort of Super Soldier variant at some point too, so if she had that, she could stand toe-to-toe against Sabretooth for sure. Thing is tho, was this issue before or after that situation happened?

I know marvel is a shared universe but the x-men have always been the own little corner, maybe corner would be a better term but writers outside of the x-men tend to nerf or downplay their skills for their own characters. Which is why I tend to stay away from fights like these.

Secondly, Sabertooth is stonger, bigger, and faster then wolverine and has gone toe to toe with iron fist so catching a beat down like this from black cat does not make sense at any point. His fighting style does not match his style that would have been shown in the 80s which based on the art this was written.

 

[Luke Cage]

Man...just take the L on this one. You sounding silly right now with this one dawg, LOL!

Really? Me saying a dude that knows martial arts would win in a fight against another dude that doesn't, everything else being equal is silly?

I'm sorry gotta neg you for that. all ya'll did was provide a bunch of juelzing on why combat knowledge wouldn't factor which makes no sense.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

I know marvel is a shared universe but the x-men have always been the own little corner, maybe corner would be a better term but writers outside of the x-men tend to nerf or downplay their skills for their own characters. Which is why I tend to stay away from fights like these.

Secondly, Sabertooth is stonger, bigger, and faster then wolverine and has gone toe to toe with iron fist so catching a beat down like this from black cat does not make sense at any point. His fighting style does not match his style that would have been shown in the 80s which based on the art this was written.

Their lil corner was still part of the shared universe. What's with ya'll cats trying to change shyt of what's always been based on ya'll own "what counts and what doesn't" factors, lol!

And nah, Sabertooh never had speed over Wolverine. Bigger and stronger for sure tho.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Wolverine is trained in many styles but he relies a ton on that healing factor. Hes like Antonio margarita to Cap's Mayweather and just keeps coming nonstop. He fights more skillfully when he loses his Regen but I think cal is more defensively savvy

Yep. Wolverine takes a lot of unnecessary hits cause he can. If he ain't have that healing factor I bet that nikka would learn to dodge real quick

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Your right. If the fight goes for a long length of time then logically Wolvie should win. All Cap has to do is slip up once and those claws are doing real damage. Cap can hit Wolvie with his shield a hundred times and he will eat them shyts.


Plus one thing I tend to forget is that that Admantium skeleton probably hits hard as hell. A punch or kick by Wolvie has something extra on it.

You gotta be perfect the whole fight. I just gotta be perfect for one second

 

[nightwing2016]

Their lil corner was still part of the shared universe. What's with ya'll cats trying to change shyt of what's always been based on ya'll own "what counts and what doesn't" factors, lol!

And nah, Sabertooh never had speed over Wolverine. Bigger and stronger for sure tho.

I’m pointing out that really bad showing of characters by writers that are unfamiliar with them and don’t write them regularly shouldn’t be taking seriously like my squirrel girl example.

uncanny x-men 212-213 say your wrong. Sabertooth has always been the superior athlete and the only time wolverine gets faster is after Magento tips the adamantium off his body. Then he becomes faster and heals quicker and is still slower than Sabertooth.

Before recently every birthday Wolverine had he was shook to death that Sabertooth would show up and beat his ass just because he could. Wolverine is my favorite character and Claremont even said Wolverine has never beat Sabertooth in a knocked down kill or be killed fight.

 

[nightwing2016]

Cap and T'Challa could both beat wolverine in a hand to hand since they're both tied. I believe taskmaster is the best hand to hand fighter though if we're talking pure hand skills, no powers.

nah I think Iron Fist or one of the immortal weapons would be the best.