is the gold crash finally here?

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if I was really concerned about catastrophic hyperinflation in the US, I'd be worried about more than whether to have my savings in gold or not

I'd be buying houses and currencies of other countries

really though of all currencies in the world, if the US DOLLAR hyperinflates, everyone's fukked. everyone. Even the chinese government is gonna be like :sadbron:
 

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if I was really concerned about catastrophic hyperinflation in the US, I'd be worried about more than whether to have my savings in gold or not

I'd be buying houses and currencies of other countries

really though of all currencies in the world, if the US DOLLAR hyperinflates, everyone's fukked. everyone. Even the chinese government is gonna be like :sadbron:

Ur right about housing but most ppl cant buy or take out loans but the big dogs are buyin housing in cash and big dogs I mean money from overseas

China wouldnt be sad they would be the world power overnight wed be in deep sh1t china can get 50cents on every dollar they own and theyd be fine cause theyre economy is screaming growth once they middle class gets higher its a wrap they hav other problems like enviromental and privacy prob but theyre economy is going dwarf ours

And remember china doesnt owe sh1t they are paid in full we on the other hand owe too much and even worse owe them
 

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Ur right about housing but most ppl cant buy or take out loans but the big dogs are buyin housing in cash and big dogs I mean money from overseas

China wouldnt be sad they would be the world power overnight wed be in deep sh1t china can get 50cents on every dollar they own and theyd be fine cause theyre economy is screaming growth once they middle class gets higher its a wrap they hav other problems like enviromental and privacy prob but theyre economy is going dwarf ours

And remember china doesnt owe sh1t they are paid in full we on the other hand owe too much and even worse owe them
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If the dollar died China would lose about 6% of its GDP of imports and take a loss on Treasuries that would about to 12-13% of its GDP

And thats just in the perfect world where a USD hyperinflationary crash would have no interactive effects, and is not counting even basic shyt like Chinese holdings of public American companies that would be wiped out in such a crash.

You are talking about the wiping out of the currency for a country that accounts for over 1/5th the world's global economy. Can you explain how gold would be worth anything in such a scenario???

Gold is a commodity... nothing more nothing less... the idea that it is an apocalypse hedge is ridiculous
 

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If the dollar died China would lose about 6% of its GDP of imports and take a loss on Treasuries that would about to 12-13% of its GDP

And thats just in the perfect world where a USD hyperinflationary crash would have no interactive effects, and is not counting even basic shyt like Chinese holdings of public American companies that would be wiped out in such a crash.

You are talking about the wiping out of the currency for a country that accounts for over 1/5th the world's global economy. Can you explain how gold would be worth anything in such a scenario???

Gold is a commodity... nothing more nothing less... the idea that it is an apocalypse hedge is ridiculous

China is paid in full a big reason usa is so powerful is our middle class and what it gives us in growth thats why we ascended in he 50 and 60 and 70 thats going away

Now chinas middle class is barely starting which is why every amer company is fighting over getting into china china is the usa in the 1950

Amer companiea are jus a name they are global compaines or need to be now compare usa middle class vs chinas emerging middle class and u see were he trend is going

Well gold can be sold in a variety of currencies which is what makes it wealth preservation u can go anywhere

There will be a time that gold wont be a good investment but now is not the time with what govt and cental banks are doing u need gold

And yeah prob in the 1980 gold was not seen as apocalypse hedge but ppl in that era couls not fathom the money printing going on

Id rathr be in gold in this day and age than trying to guess what currency is not going to collapase

Please look at mex currency problems in the 1970 world wont colapse if a currency goes kaput jus in that specific country its a wrap
 

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In 1976 I was managing an American subsidiary of a successful large US Company in Mexico. It had been a financial turnaround for our team. Cash flow had accumulated in our bank in Mexico and corporate didn’t want the money repatriated to the US. Although we had already paid a 35% income tax to the Mexican government, we would have to pay an additional 30% exit tax to repatriate the money. In addition, we would have to pay high fees for the peso/dollar exchange, in order to make the transfer. The company wanted to expand our successful business and so we decided to keep the money in Mexican pesos to be used for further expansion.

One morning, as my wife and I were on a trip driving on the highway, we heard a national message from the President of Mexico, Luis Echevarria, one of the most corrupt presidents in Mexican history. “It is a lie that we are going to devalue the peso,” he said.

I stopped at the nearest motel to make a collect call to the US headquarters and I asked my boss, the head of the International Division, to allow me to immediately open a new US dollar account in Mexico. I wanted to convert the pesos into dollars for deposit. My boss, laughing, asked me why I wanted to do that and I responded that the peso was going to devalue. He asked me how I knew this and I told him that the President of Mexico had gone on the radio and announced that rumors of a devaluation of the peso were false, which meant they must be true. He continued to laugh but allowed me to open the account.

I then called my CFO and directed him to go to the bank and get everything ready for me to sign leaving only the necessary funds to continue to operate. We immediately returned to Mexico City in time before the bank closed. Everything was ready for my signature, but the bank manager was rather bewildered and probably thought I might be overreacting.

One week later the peso was devalued from 12.50 pesos to $1 USD, where it had been for decades, to 26.00 pesos to $1 USD. A few days later it improved to 24.50 pesos to $1 USD. The reason for the devaluation of the peso was simply that it had been pegged to the USD for too long and they rose and fell in unison. Because of better economic conditions in the US, the dollar continued to go up in value and the peso increased in value artificially. Mexican goods were too expensive to trade with other countries and hence the devaluation, which allowed exports to increase. For the first time in decades the peso was allowed to float and since then it has been allowed to freely rise and fall against the dollar. The decision to devalue the peso was made by the president, which made him unpopular, as well as his economic advisers, which included the Secretary of the Treasury and Chief of the Central Bank of Mexico.

Everyone in the country was in shock. People’s net worth had devalued more than 53% overnight. The value in savings accounts dropped in half and neither merchants nor consumers knew how to react because they had never been through anything like it before. Luckily for me, I had also exchanged my money and my salary had been set in US Dollars when I signed my contract with the company to work in Mexico. For me, it was like getting a 100% raise, since for a long while; my house rent remained the same as well as utilities, clothing etc. I remember that on my boss’s next trip, he bought himself a couple of nice suits at a nice discount.

Businesses were unable to immediately raise their prices. They had to raise them slowly, and through many sacrifices. The positive side was that the company had a loan in Mexican pesos for an expensive property and was able pay it off with the new dollars at practically a 50% discount. Before the devaluation, we had been leasing other properties, some of which had expired and had been on a month to month basis.


Thankfully, immediately before the devaluation, I renegotiated and signed some of the leases with modest increases for a term of 5 years. After the devaluation occurred, the landlords wanted to renegotiate these leases, but because of the terms, we enjoyed low rents for that period. Later, as we leased new properties, the owners introduced clauses tying the annual increases to the value of the US dollar, which appreciated every year until the recent fall of the dollar in the exchange rate.

Our attorney in his 50s, of German descent, who spoke English and Spanish with a German accent, didn’t take my advice on the oncoming devaluation. After the devaluation, he was so desperate that he came into my office one day, accompanied by another attorney that worked for him, carrying an old-fashioned suitcase, which he placed on my conference table. He opened the suitcase, which was completely filled with high denomination peso bills. I had never seen that much cash in my life and I was completely surprised. He pleaded with me to accept the money right then and allow him to purchase shares in our company. I told him that this was not the proper procedure, but he asked me to consult with corporate headquarters and insisted I put the money in our safe. As I expected, corporate said no and much to his distress, I returned the money to him.

People were so desperate to exchange their pesos into dollars that the supply of dollars dried up and some, who had them, sold them at a premium in the black market. (editor note: As the US dollar is currently the global reserve currency, this would likely play out in the US by gold and silver becoming immediately unavailable, and selling at massive premiums for the physical metal on the black market)
The situation was so dire that a presidential order was passed banning the banks from allowing customers to open US dollar bank accounts. A few years later, when the peso stabilized, this practice was reversed.

Of course, on my next trip to corporate headquarters, I was received like a conquering Roman hero. My boss kept asking me to tell other executives why I decided that the peso was going to be devalued. My answer was simply that I didn’t trust politicians and had decided that the president was telling a lie in his address to the nation. This, of course, was very funny to them after seeing the results.

Today, Mexico’s financial situation is very much improved and the peso has been appreciating against the USD. Mexico holds more than $120 billion in USD reserves.
Commodities are still mainly priced in dollars worldwide and this doesn’t fare well for other countries where there is a growing unrest amongst the population. The world governments blame this on the US government for passing laws allowing the Federal

Reserve to print trillions of dollars out of thin air. This money has been used to bail out the banks and to purchase US bonds that countries like China, Japan, Russia, etc. are refusing to continue to purchase. The money received by the federal government is spent in the expanded military wars and countless pork barrel programs. The government is unable to control the budget deficits by cutting expenditures because of poor presidential leadership and irresponsible and politicized congress.

The US has agreed that something needs to be done. One of the most favored proposals at the G-20 meetings is to use a basket of currencies which would includes the USD, backed partly with gold to serve as a new world currency. This proposal would mean a further devaluation of the USD of 50% for the US to be able to participate in the program.

As long as we don’t repay our national debt, cut government spending, increase interest rates or stop the Federal Reserve from printing more dollars out of thin air, the dollar’s role of international reserve currency will soon end. China and Russia are already using their currencies to trade with each other, especially in oil purchases, bypassing the purchase of US dollars to make the payments.

Numerous countries are buying gold and silver to replace some of the dollar reserves and hedge the value of their dollar reserves. Mexico recently purchased nearly 100 tons of gold to replace some of their dollar reserves. We still don’t know how much American gold is in Fort Knox as no audits have been completed since the 1950′s. The rumors are that there are no gold reserves remaining. We know that the US mint is purchasing gold and silver blanks from Australia as domestic production is not enough simply to satisfy the demands for US Mint production! Either way, this is bad news for the US dollar and also for any of us living in the US.

My experience with the peso devaluation makes it necessary for me to move my investments away from paper into physical gold and silver. I am doing this more as a defense mechanism to ensure my net worth is not devalued. Economic think tanks are already conducting feasibility studies to predict the ramifications of the devaluation both domestically and internationally.

It is going to be a very tough time for the US and I anticipate the Mexican devaluation will pale in comparison to our dollar devaluation, not only to this country, but worldwide. What is the answer for Americans?
 

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China is paid in full a big reason usa is so powerful is our middle class and what it gives us in growth thats why we ascended in he 50 and 60 and 70 thats going away

Now chinas middle class is barely starting which is why every amer company is fighting over getting into china china is the usa in the 1950

Amer companiea are jus a name they are global compaines or need to be now compare usa middle class vs chinas emerging middle class and u see were he trend is going

American companies interest in China is a cash grab. Too many indicators- environmental, demographic, cultural, credit- point to a bust coming. Maybe not for 1-2 decades but def some time in the medium to long term future. Def within our lifetimes though. But companies operate quarter to quarter and from that POV China is golden. There is too much shyt working against China rite now though to say it will be some 1950s US style powerhouse. The two countries are not comparable

Well gold can be sold in a variety of currencies which is what makes it wealth preservation u can go anywhere

There will be a time that gold wont be a good investment but now is not the time with what govt and cental banks are doing u need gold
This is what I am trying to understand. What specifically about gold makes it good for hedging against what is going on? What about gold makes it a better hedge than aluminum, steel, copper... you know, metals that people actually need?

And yeah prob in the 1980 gold was not seen as apocalypse hedge but ppl in that era couls not fathom the money printing going on

The same shyt was going on though. Wild printing and deficit spending. Why is it different now?

Id rathr be in gold in this day and age than trying to guess what currency is not going to collapase
shyt I would too, but the point is if currencies are ACTUALLY gonna collapse, gold is the LAST place you want your money to be. If shyt actually hit the fan do you really think whatever index you bought into would make a physical delivery? Most gold holders just have promise notes no better than the dollars they are hedging against :krs: Push comes to shove Fed would (AND HAS) printed to cover USD bank deposits... what entity exists to do the same for gold tickets???

Please look at mex currency problems in the 1970 world wont colapse if a currency goes kaput jus in that specific country its a wrap
1970s Mexico :russ: :krs: :biggapls: :pumperwhat: :damn: Can u name 1 way 1970s Mexico is comparable to the US in 2013??????????? Not to mention gold took losses as big as 50% in the 70s so depending on when that currency crash happened a gold hedge mite not have saved you
 

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American companies interest in China is a cash grab. Too many indicators- environmental, demographic, cultural, credit- point to a bust coming. Maybe not for 1-2 decades but def some time in the medium to long term future. Def within our lifetimes though. But companies operate quarter to quarter and from that POV China is golden. There is too much shyt working against China rite now though to say it will be some 1950s US style powerhouse. The two countries are not comparable


This is what I am trying to understand. What specifically about gold makes it good for hedging against what is going on? What about gold makes it a better hedge than aluminum, steel, copper... you know, metals that people actually need?



The same shyt was going on though. Wild printing and deficit spending. Why is it different now?


shyt I would too, but the point is if currencies are ACTUALLY gonna collapse, gold is the LAST place you want your money to be. If shyt actually hit the fan do you really think whatever index you bought into would make a physical delivery? Most gold holders just have promise notes no better than the dollars they are hedging against :krs: Push comes to shove Fed would (AND HAS) printed to cover USD bank deposits... what entity exists to do the same for gold tickets???


1970s Mexico :russ: :krs: :biggapls: :pumperwhat: :damn: Can u name 1 way 1970s Mexico is comparable to the US in 2013??????????? Not to mention gold took losses as big as 50% in the 70s so depending on when that currency crash happened a gold hedge mite not have saved you



lol at china being a cash grab... i mean no sh1t counties like india and china have emerging populations and emerging middle classes that WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON DISCRETIONARY stuff... that is why USA became a super power... we spent money on discretionary stuff cause we had money to spend in the 50's and 60's.. AKA growth...

COMPANIES DONT OPERATE QUARTER TO QUARTER.. have you ever heard of research and development.. companies operate years out ... if you a company and you are operating quarter to quarter you will get left behind...

again... china as a country (govt, pollution, human rights) is not comparable to the USA but china as an economy is ... as their middle class grows they will have money to buy dumb stuff .. the same dumb stuff we as amerians buy and make us the #1 consumer of goods... which makes our economy tick.... the PROBLEM IS THAT OUR GOVT OWES SO MUCH MONEY AND IS PUTTIN MORE ON THE CREDIT CARD THAT YOU AS A CONSUMER BY DEFAULT OWE THAT MONEY THAT THEY ARE SPENDING.... its OUR DEBT... how do you get rid of that debt if your the govt... print more money

people act as if the USA has been some economic super power ever since 1776... it only recently happend in the 1950 and 1960's... before that we were no different than britan or any other euorpean country economically.

uh WHAT makes gold more valuable is the scarcity... i can go into any house and walk out with copper tubes or steel or aluminium.. THEY ARE NOT SCARCE... gold is.. gold is a metal/resource that has never been used in a high industrial way because its too scarce.. imagine having a gold tube or piping running through your house... silver is more industrial but still alot MORE SCARCE THAN ALUMINIUM/ copper or steel... and gold throughout world history has always been scarce... ppl have tried to create fake gold or counterfit gold and they cant do it.. never have never will...

the spending and deficits now are not comparable to anytime before in history... we are talking trillions... back then they did that to grow the economy and look at what happened the go go 80's and the one of the most prosperous decades in the 1990's... but now weve spent more money int he last 4 years and it HASNT CREATED GROWTH OR FIXED ANY REAL PROBLEMS OTHER THAN INFLATED THE STOCK MARKET... THEY WOULDVE BEEN BETTER OFF BUYING HOUSES FOR PPL THAT LOST THEIR HOUSES IN 2007 2008 and it woudlve been more beneficial.. but bankers werent going to allow that to happen and it wouldve been seen as socialistic... but in reality saving the banks and this stock market is as anti capitalistic as you can get...

not all currencies are going to collapse... when mexico and argentinas currency collapsed it only affected their citizens... its not a zero sum game..

i dont recomend ever buying gold through the stock market or paper markets.. its a scam.. im in it now as a day trader type deal but im FULLY HEDGED with physical metals... all those certificates or what not are fake and your right good luck collecting on that "promise"...

look at what happend with this gold crash we just had... gold/silver paper market "crashed" ... you know what happend with the physical markets.... SH1T SOLD OUT... now you have waiting lists for silver sales...small stores pulled their stuff off the shelves cause theyd rather keep their inventory than sell it at this artifical price. .. there is such a disconnect between physical demand/markets for metals and the paper markets..

if you dont own physical gold/ silver .. you don't own any gold/silver..

all you need to know about mexico in the 70's and argentina in the 90s is that CURRENCY DEVALUATION ACTUALLY HAPPEND AND THE WHOLE WORLD DID NOT DIE.. BUT IF YOU WERE APART OF THOSE COUNTRIES YOU WOULD RATHER BE IN GOLD THAN YOUR OWN CURRENCY...

with that story it was stated that the main THING PPL WANTED TO BE IN WAS THE DOLLAR... but now ALL CURRENCES( OR MAJOR ONES ) are doing the same thing .. which is prinitng more money and trying to devalue their currency.. so you can play musical chairs if you want with different currencies or you can just own gold which is recognized as a means to preserving your wealth... all that fiat currency is just a paper with the promise to honor what that amount is... if they break that promise then you are fukked..

they wont break the promise AND TELL YOU THAT YOUR FIAT CURRENCY IS WORTHLESS AND ZERO BUT THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT NOW YOUR FIAT CURRENCY IS WORTH 40 CENTS AND then you individually will be fukked..

all the world has to do is say that the new reserve currency will be a combination of different currencies instead of DEPENDING ON ONE (US DOLLAR) AND then that problem of everybody being dependent on the dollar is over... that part is def comming...
 

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that was quick lol...

Shares rebound, dollar dips vs yen | Reuters

In commodity markets, gold rebounded from its sharp selloff last week, though sentiment remained shaky after the precious metal posted its biggest-ever daily loss in dollar terms last Monday.

Spot gold rose more than 2 percent to a session-high of $1,438.66 per ounce, more than $100 above the two-year low of $1,321 hit on April 16.


Clearly a buy opportunity

clearly :cheers:
 

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that was quick lol...

Shares rebound, dollar dips vs yen | Reuters

In commodity markets, gold rebounded from its sharp selloff last week, though sentiment remained shaky after the precious metal posted its biggest-ever daily loss in dollar terms last Monday.

Spot gold rose more than 2 percent to a session-high of $1,438.66 per ounce, more than $100 above the two-year low of $1,321 hit on April 16.




clearly :cheers:

Clearly. :shaq2:
 

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After playing The Last of Us i wonder how valuable gold would be if you were trying to secure the essentials for living.
 
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