Is the center resurgence being realized this year?

[DetroitEWarren]

Towns and Embid will be the only ones in top 10 MVP voting though, I expect Towns to be top 3 for sure if MIN has a top 3 record this season. Embid restrictions will limit his chances though, even if his on/off numbers are still as crazy as they are now.

 

[010101]

Gawds are more entertaining plus a gawd gon' win MVP again this year

& the goat is a gawd*

 

[UpAndComing]

Guards are more entertaining plus a guard gon' win MVP again this year

No argument there, guards are definitely more entertaining


But if you have an elite/talented center, your chances of winning a title go up exponentially

Can't say the same with an elite/talented guard though

 

[010101]

No argument there, guards are definitely more entertaining


But if you have an elite/talented center, your chances of winning a title go up exponentially

Can't say the same with an elite/talented guard though

uhhhhhh the winners been guard centric guard lead squads since forever
an elite center is a major asset yeah
but boards can be replaced by committee and you can keep some rim protectors to specialize

the premium is on buckets ball handling and ball movement

*

 

[UpAndComing]

uhhhhhh the winners been guard centric guard lead squads since forever
an elite center is a major asset yeah
but boards can be replaced by committee and you can keep some rim protectors to specialize

the premium is on buckets ball handling and ball movement
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Did you just say since forever?

Up until about maybe 2009 did the NBA become so ball centric that the center/PF was out of the equation

Even in Jordan's era, you weren't winning shyt without a dominant big man. How many titles Jordan won without Horace Grant or Rodman?
Remember when The Bulls WITH JORDAN on the team in 1995 lost in the playoffs. Who they lost to? The Orlando Magic, with Shaq at center
Not until Rodman joined the Bulls did they go on that legendary 72-10 championship season

List all the hall of fame guards in the history of the NBA prior to 2009. Did they win ANYTHING without a talented Big man? I'll wait

Prior to 2009, you wasn't winning shyt without a dominant/talented big man. Only reason it changed was because the center position has been downright disgraceful for damn near a decade. Since there was no talented big men, it was easier for teams to play small ball. Now that the big man position is coming back, you're seeing the difference


Keep watching sportscenter casual

 

[010101]

Did you just say since forever?

Up until about maybe 2009 did the NBA become so ball centric that the center/PF was out of the equation

Even in Jordan's era, you weren't winning shyt without a dominant big man. Ask how many titles Jordan won without Horace Grant or Rodman?
Remember when The Bulls WITH JORDAN on the team in 1995 lost in the playoffs. Who they lost to? The Orlando Magic, with Shaq at center
Not until Rodman joined the Bulls did they go on that legendary 72-10 championship season

List all the hall of fame guards in the history of the NBA prior to 2009. Did they win ANYTHING without a talented Big man? I'll wait

Prior to 2009, you wasn't winning shyt without a dominant/talented big man. Only reason it changed was because the center position has been downright disgraceful for damn near a decade. Since there was no talented big men, it was easier for teams to play small ball. Now that the big man position is coming back, you're seeing the difference


Keep watching sportscenter casual

bro i ain't say they don't matter
but haven't been the key component for a good minute
what's changing about the big man position is they are emulating guard play and expanding skill set

it's a gawds game from 6ft-7ft skills pay the bills

*

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Did you just say since forever?

Up until about maybe 2009 did the NBA become so ball centric that the center/PF was out of the equation

Even in Jordan's era, you weren't winning shyt without a dominant big man. How many titles Jordan won without Horace Grant or Rodman?
Remember when The Bulls WITH JORDAN on the team in 1995 lost in the playoffs. Who they lost to? The Orlando Magic, with Shaq at center
Not until Rodman joined the Bulls did they go on that legendary 72-10 championship season

Did you just refer to Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman as "dominant big men"? I'm sure I've seen you push this nonsense before.

List all the hall of fame guards in the history of the NBA prior to 2009. Did they win ANYTHING without a talented Big man? I'll wait

List all the Hall of Fame big men in the history of the NBA prior to 2009. Did they win ANYTHING without a talented guard/wing? I'll wait

Prior to 2009, you wasn't winning shyt without a dominant/talented big man. Only reason it changed was because the center position has been downright disgraceful for damn near a decade. Since there was no talented big men, it was easier for teams to play small ball. Now that the big man position is coming back, you're seeing the difference

at this nonsense.

Keep watching sportscenter casual

at you accusing someone else of being a "SportsCenter casual".

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

bro i ain't say they don't matter
but haven't been the key component for a good minute
what's changing about the big man position is they are emulating guard play and expanding skill set

it's a gawds game from 6ft-7ft skills pay the bills

*

The only thing that really matters at the end of the day is balance; none of this guard, wing, big man basketball praxis nonsense.

 

[010101]

The only thing that really matters at the end of the day is balance; none of this guard, wing, big man basketball praxis nonsense.

a team full of complete players is preferred
bigs are now catching up instead of just being fukking placeholders and ball-stoppers
like i said skills pay the bills and put butt in seats

*

 

[UpAndComing]

bro i ain't say they don't matter
but haven't been the key component for a good minute
what's changing about the big man position is they are emulating guard play and expanding skill set

it's a gawds game from 6ft-7ft skills pay the bills

*

Like I said, you're a casual. The stuff Big men are doing now isn't "new"

Patrick Ewing was an automatic 17 foot jumpshooter
David Robinson could run the floor like any guard and guard multiple positions
Hakeem could knock down the three, and was an automatic jumpshooter. And could guard multiple positions and lead a fast break
Shaq in his younger days could lead the fast break
Bill Russell could bring the ball up
Wilt Chamberlain actually led the league in assists in a season
Rodman could guard all positions and run the floor
KG and Dirk could both put the ball on the floor like a small forward and shoot the 3
Bill Lambier, Cliff Robinson, and Rasheed Wallace were effective knock down 3 point shooters

And like I said, they haven't been a key component in a decade in the current NBA because they weren't any talent at that position in a decade


Anymore ESPN Sportscenter hottakes, casual

 

[Inertia Creeps]

Good guards give you the highest FLOOR as a contending team in todays NBA, but a transcendent center/big man has and always will give you the highest CEILING in a championship matchup, provided the rest of the roster is up to snuff. Physical mismatches are still too big of a factor, even in the age of chucking 3s with reckless abandon, for that to change any time soon. Especially with how perimeter D tightens up the deeper you go into the playoffs.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

uhhhhhh the winners been guard centric guard lead squads since forever
an elite center is a major asset yeah
but boards can be replaced by committee and you can keep some rim protectors to specialize

the premium is on buckets ball handling and ball movement

*

Don’t agree with this at all.

Unless it’s MJ and maybe Bron

Give me the elite center. I think most GMs and coaches would agree with that.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Like I said, you're a casual. The stuff Big men are doing now isn't "new"

Patrick Ewing was an automatic 17 foot jumpshooter
David Robinson could run the floor like any guard and guard multiple positions
Hakeem could knock down the three, and was an automatic jumpshooter. And could guard multiple positions and lead a fast break
Shaq in his younger days could lead the fast break
Bill Russell could bring the ball up
Wilt Chamberlain actually led the league in assists in a season
Rodman could guard all positions and run the floor
KG and Dirk could both put the ball on the floor like a small forward and shoot the 3
Bill Lambier, Cliff Robinson, and Rasheed Wallace were effective knock down 3 point shooters

And like I said, they haven't been a key component in a decade in the current NBA because they weren't any talent at that position in a decade


Anymore ESPN Sportscenter hottakes, casual

Them shooting from the outside and dribbling is not new.

But them shooting 3s is definitely new

 

[Poitier]

just look at the Pelicans.

 

[Liquid]

The history of this league has always favored teams that build around a big guy. You guys have to understand that this dominant guard play and building a whole team around it is still relatively new (outside of the obvious exceptions like JORDAN). So it being "realized" is not what I would call it, but more of an evolution of the position. We might see in where to be a starting center in the league it is REQUIRED to at least be EFFECTIVE with a few outside shots per game.

I like it personally