Is QB not the most overrated position in Football

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

In the NFL? I'll give you Parcells.

What did Pete Carroll do before Russell Wilson? Back to back 7-9 seasons in Seattle only making the playoffs in 2010 with one of the WOAT divisions? He was 33-31 between NYC and The Pats before Seattle.

I don't get your point then. Russell Wilson is solid but he isn't close to the names on that list and Carroll has won with him. Him jimmy and Barry excelled in the pro and college ranks and Barry and jimmy won with just-above-good Troy aikman. Bill Parcells had Phil sims and drew bledsoe.

So, I guess I disagree or don't get it.

 

[Street Knowledge]

I get that.. But Im more talking about present day, where "systems" and schemes have taken over and its easy AF to pass the football..

So you really don't have anyone on that list

Also Belechiek had Matt Cassell who can't find a spot on another roster and he still won 11 games.

Belechiek > QB

Why didn't he implement this system and scheme his 4 years in Cleveland when they were 36-44 with one playoff win or the first year in NE when they went 5-11?

Matt cassell has never struggled to find a spot on a roster. He's competeting for a job 7 years after the 2008 season with the Bills

 

[Mwrex]

Put on your team and see how you feel about QB's

 

[Made Myself A Boss]

In today's nfl the qb is even more important because it's such a passing league.If you have an elite qb you're pretty much guaranteed to contend every year in a league that teams drastically change year to year and it's impossible to sustain any long term sucess but if you have. A top qb u can

People going crazy over Jordy getting injured when he's a product of Rodgers.How many wr's have Green Bay lost to free agency where people said theyd be in trouble and the wr who left Rodgers did nothing snd the replaced that wr with another one who was just as good it's because of Rodgers

I feel you on Rodgers...(check the list I made in the first post, he's in there.. ) outside of a select few there are very little difference makers at the position

 

[Frump]

I feel you on Rodgers...(check the list I made in the first post, he's in there.. ) outside of a select few there are very little difference makers at the position

But look at the difference makers and how they contend every year then look at the franchises who haven't found a good one in years ie Buffalo and Clevaland and u can see the difference

 

[BonafideDefacto]

fukk outta here
QBs make the coach

BeliCHEAT before Brady was a failure

Not unless u have an all time defense to offset ur QB...it's the GOAT single position.

 

[Street Knowledge]

I don't get your point then. Russell Wilson is solid but he isn't close to the names on that list and Carroll has won with him. Him jimmy and Barry excelled in the pro and college ranks and Barry and jimmy won with just-above-good Troy aikman. Bill Parcells had Phil sims and drew bledsoe.

So, I guess I disagree or don't get it.

I don't care about college though, just the pros which is my point. Carroll/Jimmy/Barry guys didn't do damn thing without a great quarterback. And Troy aikman was a first ballot hall of famer.

Wilson isn't More than "solid" he's an excellent young QB who's first 3 years rank with anyone in history. Are Russell Wilson's first three years the best in NFL history?. Is Russell Wilson the Greatest Young Quarterback Ever?

Him playing at a top ten level is key to the Seahawks going from mediocre to championship contenders.

You don't think it's a coincidence Carroll starting winning when he finally got a QB? Remember he was 33-31 as a coach before they got lucky Gettin wilson

 

[TheMadLionsFan]

A good QB is still very important. You can have the best scheme in the world but if the QB can't read defenses, make audibles, process information quickly, make reads, all while having the presence within the pocket to elude the rush, that scheme is useless. Belicheck may have won 11 games with Matt Cassel in New England when they had a pretty good defense, but what about when he was in Cleveland and had a losing record 4 out of 5 seasons? Is the QB dependent upon other players doing their job? Absolutely, but so is every other position on the offense. If a running back has an awful line, he'll look like shyt. If a QB can't complete a pass, guess what the WR ain't shyt. etc.

Playing QB isn't simply about completing passes, ,if it was then there would be alot more good QBs in the league.

 

[Made Myself A Boss]

Why didn't he implement this system and scheme his 4 years in Cleveland when they were 36-44 with one playoff win or the first year in NE when they went 5-11?

Matt cassell has never struggled to find a spot on a roster. He's competeting for a job 7 years after the 2008 season with the Bills

Again, Im talking present day and how the game has evolved, QB's are more expendable then ever..


All Championship teams follow the formula of a good defense and a running game.. (Thats across the board)


When did Belie coach on the Browns. last (1995 )


The game has changed so much since then, so all this "why couldn't he win in Cleveland" talk is irrelevant.. He's won with multiple QBs in N.E

Also.. Matt Cassel is not that good, he just got released from the Bills who favor Tyrod Tayloy and EJ Manuel as the starters.. .And he didnt put up those numbers he did in NE... in KC and Minnesota

 

[TheMadLionsFan]

And Phil Simms wasn't a scrub when he played for the giants and neither was Drew Bledsoe. All time greats? No, but you nikkas make it seems as of Parcells has Jamarcus Russell lining up behind center.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Who is more important on a battlefield, The general devising plans and strategy or random soldier X

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

And Phil Simms wasn't a scrub when he played for the giants and neither was Drew Bledsoe. All time greats? No, but you nikkas make it seems as of Parcells has Jamarcus Russell lining up behind center.

No...I'm not. And I don't get the logic in you discounting college success of parcells, Switzer, and jimmy....since they won Superbowls AND national titles... Which indicates that they aren't sensitive to needing elite coaches.

 

[Made Myself A Boss]

I don't care about college though, just the pros which is my point. Carroll/Jimmy/Barry guys didn't do damn thing with a great quarterback. And Troy aikman was a first ballot hall of famer.

Wilson isn't More than "solid" he's an excellent young QB who's first 3 years rank with anyone in history. Are Russell Wilson's first three years the best in NFL history?. Is Russell Wilson the Greatest Young Quarterback Ever?

Him playing at a top ten level is key to the Seahawks going from mediocre to championship contenders.

You don't think it's a coincidence Carroll starting winning when he finally got a QB? Remember he was 33-31 as a coach before they got lucky Gettin wilson

Wouldn't you agree that the pecking order in Seattle is Marshawn> Defense> Coach> QB

 

[TrebleMan]

Also lets not forget a great coach not only guides the QB, but also calls the plays to stop the other QB.

Belichick has Brady, but Brady also has Belichick's defense.

Also coaches who are like Belichick have a hand in drafting, signing and overall team construction.

Coach > QB when it comes to winning.

Too much influence a QB doesn't have. On the field, sure a QB probably the most vital. But in the grand scheme of things the coach is the guy calling shots on both sides of the ball on and off the field where winners are made.

Also, when a team makes a bad defensive call that costs the game, you tell me the coach has no influence.

 

[TheMadLionsFan]

No...I'm not. And I don't get the logic in you discounting college success of parcells, Switzer, and jimmy....since they won Superbowls AND national titles... Which indicates that they aren't sensitive to needing elite coaches.

Bruh....When those guys were coaching the game wasnt even in a transition yet. The game was still "three yards and a cloud of dust". Barry Switzer will tell you he didn't do shyt with Dallas. The coaching staff and the players won that Super Bowl. That common knowledge. Switzer didn't bring anything to that team. And Jimmy Johnson had Vinny Testaverde at QB, who would later become a No. 1 overall pick. Vinny was great at the university of miami bruh. Then he went to Dallas and got Troy Ailman who went to the hall of fame. Once again these guys didn't have scrubs at QB.