Field Marshall Bradley
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Much love for Bert Sugar and God Bless the dead and I really value his opinion, but one man's opinion doesn't make it a consensus
Is Marciano the most overrated heavy weight boxer alltime?
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earnie was completely washed up by the time tyson rose to the top....why would he fight him?
Whitty Hutton
these posters are TRASH
^^^Well its not like all the fighters he faced coming up were world beaters anyway. I'm sure he could have done better than Marvis Frazier^^^
While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " Georgie,You'll never believe this but, ****in' Tyson is scared ****less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fightin' that ****in' animal, if you love the mother****er so much, you fight him!'"
Goodman stated that Tyson said Foreman was much better than people thought, and was a dangerous fight for any of the top heavyweights. Goodman proceeded to explain how Tyson was calling Foreman a big con man, and explained that the grandpop act was just a front. He said Tyson saw Foreman as trying to set up the boxing world into thinking he was a pushover, knowing that he really wasn't. Tyson said Foreman was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Goodman continued to say that after seeing Tyson's response to King trying to push him into a fight with Foreman, he had no doubt that Tyson had fear of Foreman. He also said that from that point on, he felt that if Foreman and Tyson ever fought, Foreman would knock Tyson out!
Throughout the lunch Goodman, Duva, Benton, and myself shared stories and thoughts on the fight game. Out of the blue Goodman said, "Oh I remember why else Tyson wanted no parts of Foreman. He said that King had found out from Steve Lott that Tyson and Cus D'Amato used to watch the Frazier-Foreman fight over and over." He continued saying that Tyson loved that fight because he was awed by Foreman's power and Frazier's toughness and how he kept getting up after every knockdown. He also said that Lott told King that Cus sat alongside Tyson saying, "It's suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier," never figuring that Foreman could be a possible Tyson opponent down the road. He said that Cus said the only fighters who had a chance against Foreman were, tall rangy fighters who could fight him from a distance while moving away from him, and no way any swarmer could beat Foreman by going to him.
Those are the words of the man who actually had a hand in trying to make the Foreman-Tyson fight, and was in the room when the negotiations broke down. Over the years, I've talked to many people who were involved with Tyson and Foreman and they all verify the story, every one of them. I have also talked to people who were involved with promoting Foreman, including Ron Weathers who promoted a few of Foreman's comeback fights. He told me the same story. The fight didn't happen because of Tyson being fearful of losing to George. Bob Arum also said that he dreamed of making Foreman-Tyson. He said it would be huge money and that Foreman would stop Tyson easier than he did Frazier. This is something Arum often repeated to the press. I have also heard this from George's brother Roy who was his business manager. I co-hosted a boxing show with Roy in Atlantic City for a little less than two months and this was a regular topic when discussing Tyson. Anyone who covered boxing at the time or knew any of the involved parties knew of this. It's not breaking news.
It is absolutely a fact that Mike Tyson was afraid to fight 41-year-old George Foreman--the same Foreman who Evander Holyfield would fight and beat in April of 1991. I have not a doubt that had Foreman and Tyson fought anytime between 1990 and 1997 that Foreman would have knocked Tyson out inside of three rounds. Tyson just has nothing to beat Foreman with; his edge in hand speed would have been a non-factor. He can't beat him by backing away, and he would have gotten his head handed to him if he brought the fight to Foreman. In addition, Foreman was bigger, stronger, tougher and hit harder. Not to mention the fact that Foreman had a better chin and no fear or doubt, unlike Tyson, who was full of fear and self-doubt.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/lotierzo1609.php
Mike Tyson: "Cus's word was like the bible to me"
u gotta use common sense dog
im sure he meant da foremon in his prime
not fat, 40 somethin year old foremon
his style and weight were very different in his prime
tyson woulda killed him in da 90s
in there primes,it coulda gone either way
but foremon had reach and mayb even da power advantage over tyson so it definitely woulda been rough for him
While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " Georgie,You'll never believe this but, ****in' Tyson is scared ****less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fightin' that ****in' animal, if you love the mother****er so much, you fight him!'"
Goodman stated that Tyson said Foreman was much better than people thought, and was a dangerous fight for any of the top heavyweights. Goodman proceeded to explain how Tyson was calling Foreman a big con man, and explained that the grandpop act was just a front. He said Tyson saw Foreman as trying to set up the boxing world into thinking he was a pushover, knowing that he really wasn't. Tyson said Foreman was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Goodman continued to say that after seeing Tyson's response to King trying to push him into a fight with Foreman, he had no doubt that Tyson had fear of Foreman. He also said that from that point on, he felt that if Foreman and Tyson ever fought, Foreman would knock Tyson out!
Throughout the lunch Goodman, Duva, Benton, and myself shared stories and thoughts on the fight game. Out of the blue Goodman said, "Oh I remember why else Tyson wanted no parts of Foreman. He said that King had found out from Steve Lott that Tyson and Cus D'Amato used to watch the Frazier-Foreman fight over and over." He continued saying that Tyson loved that fight because he was awed by Foreman's power and Frazier's toughness and how he kept getting up after every knockdown. He also said that Lott told King that Cus sat alongside Tyson saying, "It's suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier," never figuring that Foreman could be a possible Tyson opponent down the road. He said that Cus said the only fighters who had a chance against Foreman were, tall rangy fighters who could fight him from a distance while moving away from him, and no way any swarmer could beat Foreman by going to him.
Those are the words of the man who actually had a hand in trying to make the Foreman-Tyson fight, and was in the room when the negotiations broke down. Over the years, I've talked to many people who were involved with Tyson and Foreman and they all verify the story, every one of them. I have also talked to people who were involved with promoting Foreman, including Ron Weathers who promoted a few of Foreman's comeback fights. He told me the same story. The fight didn't happen because of Tyson being fearful of losing to George. Bob Arum also said that he dreamed of making Foreman-Tyson. He said it would be huge money and that Foreman would stop Tyson easier than he did Frazier. This is something Arum often repeated to the press. I have also heard this from George's brother Roy who was his business manager. I co-hosted a boxing show with Roy in Atlantic City for a little less than two months and this was a regular topic when discussing Tyson. Anyone who covered boxing at the time or knew any of the involved parties knew of this. It's not breaking news.
It is absolutely a fact that Mike Tyson was afraid to fight 41-year-old George Foreman--the same Foreman who Evander Holyfield would fight and beat in April of 1991. I have not a doubt that had Foreman and Tyson fought anytime between 1990 and 1997 that Foreman would have knocked Tyson out inside of three rounds. Tyson just has nothing to beat Foreman with; his edge in hand speed would have been a non-factor. He can't beat him by backing away, and he would have gotten his head handed to him if he brought the fight to Foreman. In addition, Foreman was bigger, stronger, tougher and hit harder. Not to mention the fact that Foreman had a better chin and no fear or doubt, unlike Tyson, who was full of fear and self-doubt.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/lotierzo1609.php
Mike Tyson: "Cus's word was like the bible to me"
seemorecizzy
Superstar
honestly, you have every right to believe dat if u want, and i aint gonna hate that u do, but to me, dat shyt sounds made up as fukk
as for the bolded, dat sounds like they describing a prime foremon to me
george foremon did dat shyt to frazier damn near 20 years prior
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lol at tyson mystique taking a hit with this...
what ppl on this board dont realize is that tyson won alot of those fights in his prime against guys who WERE SCARED OF HIM WALKIN INTO THE RING.... he already won the fight by default just needed to mop the fighters up
WHY THE FUKK WOULD FORMEAN BE AFRAID OF TYSON.. HE IS TAILOR MADE FOR FORMEAN....
some ppl here acting as if formean at 41 couldnt pop or put ppl on their a22ses
mike himself is a student of the game he knows more than most what it would be like o fight a fighters like formean....
holyfield and forman pre jail MOP UP TYSON...
they werent afraid of tyson...
seemorecizzy
Superstar
Absolut
Legal Bookie
People get caught up and forget who George Foreman really was. Foreman was Tyson fore Tyson.
When he fought Gerry c00ney, he was at 64 wins with 60 of them coming by KO. Old George put Michael Moorer out at age of 45 to become champ again. Holyfield was hitting George, but didn't put him out. It isn't a surprise if Tyson didn't want to fight Foreman. Strength is the last thing to go in a fighter and that was Foreman's specialty.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0SONoA5L1g"]Foreman vs Moorer 10th rd ko - YouTube[/ame]
When he fought Gerry c00ney, he was at 64 wins with 60 of them coming by KO. Old George put Michael Moorer out at age of 45 to become champ again. Holyfield was hitting George, but didn't put him out. It isn't a surprise if Tyson didn't want to fight Foreman. Strength is the last thing to go in a fighter and that was Foreman's specialty.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0SONoA5L1g"]Foreman vs Moorer 10th rd ko - YouTube[/ame]
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Poppa_Dock
:gladlebron:
dude was fighting pizza chefs
Yeah everyone with boxing knowledge knows Tyson wanted no part of Foreman. He didn't really wanna see Lewis or Bowe at the time either. Tyson ain't as dumb as people make him out to be. Even then he knew he would be at a disadvantage with them giants in the ring.
LandryFieldsDad
All Star
I just wanna say this..
Its a shame what boxing has become.
Used to love listening to the old heads talk shyt about who the best Was.
Its a shame what boxing has become.
Used to love listening to the old heads talk shyt about who the best Was.
The way some nikkas in here talk about Tyson, if you didn't know any better you'd think they were talking about David Tua.
The saddest thing about Boxing, is that a lot of myths get recycled to the point where nikkas try to spin it into facts. It's just like women. You tell an average chick she a dime enough times, she'll believe it and start having other nikkas believe it too.
The same past his prime Foreman that nikkas is talking about whupping Tyson, is the same one who lost to fukking no chin having power punching Tommy Morrison. A prime Foreman is a bad style match up for Tyson but not a washed up version. Besides as a fan I would have rather seen Tyson fight Razor Ruddock then fight a old ass George Foreman.
People thought Holyfield was washed up and he was the underdog when he fought Tyson the 1st time. nikkas were acting like Tyson was picking on dude. Imagine how nikkas would of been acting if a much younger closer to his prime Tyson would of made a fight with Foreman back in the early 90's. nikkas would of shytted on that fight like how dudes was shytting on Erik Morales fighting Marcos Maidana.
The saddest thing about Boxing, is that a lot of myths get recycled to the point where nikkas try to spin it into facts. It's just like women. You tell an average chick she a dime enough times, she'll believe it and start having other nikkas believe it too.
The same past his prime Foreman that nikkas is talking about whupping Tyson, is the same one who lost to fukking no chin having power punching Tommy Morrison. A prime Foreman is a bad style match up for Tyson but not a washed up version. Besides as a fan I would have rather seen Tyson fight Razor Ruddock then fight a old ass George Foreman.
People thought Holyfield was washed up and he was the underdog when he fought Tyson the 1st time. nikkas were acting like Tyson was picking on dude. Imagine how nikkas would of been acting if a much younger closer to his prime Tyson would of made a fight with Foreman back in the early 90's. nikkas would of shytted on that fight like how dudes was shytting on Erik Morales fighting Marcos Maidana.
Whitty Hutton
these posters are TRASH
You can talk woulda shoulda's all day, but it doesn't change the fact that Tyson ducked Foreman. These are facts
