Is Kyrie's Success in Boston an Indictment on LeBron?

[Professor Emeritus]

Except it is, not because LeBron is directly telling him to ISO, but because LeBron is allergic to playing in a proper offensive system, which is partly because he doesn't want to sacrifice his own numbers and partly because he can't/won't play off the ball to that degree. Which is why the Cavs offense over the last three seasons has consisted of LeBron and Kyrie taking turns on offense, and not actually having a system in place.

Except they moved the ball a lot in Miami and Lebron had a lot of off-ball actions. And Lebron had plenty of praise for Blatt's system until it started failing - partially because they didn't have personnel who could effectively run it and partially because Blatt failed as a coach.

"Anytime you have LeBron on the floor the ball is going to move," Miller said.

James, who admitted going to YouTube to learn about Blatt's offense, shares Miller's enthusiasm.

"It's very free flowing and it's going to be challenging for guys," James said. "I can see it. Guys are kind of thinking through it a little too much, but I think when we get it there are so many different options. It's live at every position and there's a counter to everything a defense can do."

LeBron James and Mike Miller have high praise for David Blatt's offense

 

[Sccit]

ARE WE REALLY GUNA ACT LIKE THIS A REVELATION? LIKE WE DIDNT KNOW THAT LEBRON BALL HINDERS LEBRONS TEAMMATES?? LOL

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I said nothing about assisted offense, i said his offensive production the best of his career was based off a pick and role based system

You said, and I quote -

For instance they count anything "not assisted on" i.e the pick and role heavy Cavs offense where Lebron would knock Kyries man off balance allowing Kyrie to get to the basket easy would count as "isolation"

This is you clearly saying "anything not assisted on" they count it as "isolation". Clearly, they don't. Stop digging that hole.

What's the cause of posting this? It's a PnR league. Why did you post a clip of a league-wide trend to dispel the notion that the Cavs are/were an ISO-heavy team? I've already provided all the factual information that states they were an ISO-heavy team, and even you posted an article that states so as well.

Kyries talents were maximized. He will however never be transcendent. Not a good enough shooter nor passer and not consistent.

They actually weren't maximized, because there was no set structure on offense, and only 30% of his field goals were assisted on. Only 30%. He's already a transcendent player, what kind of LeBron stan agitprop is this? Does he suddenly just lose all his magical powers after not playing next to the great LeBlaine?

The fukk do you mean he's not a good enough shooter? He's one of the best shooters in the game, particularly when you weigh into account only Curry is a definitively better off-the-dribble shooter. He's been the Cavs most consistent player outside LeBron over the last three season, what gives you the idea he can't be consistent?

Oh, no, don't answer that. I bet you're going to say "it's because he's not playing with LeBron anymore". SMH.

Is that why hes shooting worse from the field

First of all, his season percentages are weighed down by one abysmal shooting performance, it will eventually even out across the season. If you subtract that one game, he's actually shooting 48% from the field. He's actually had more easy scoring opportunities this season, but has missed quite a few shots he usually makes. Nearly 40% of his FGs are assisted on this season, basically 10% more than last season. This is all without mentioning he's getting accustomed to a new system, with new players, while having to deal with duties. He also is dealing with more defensive attention as a whole, because Hayward is out and the team is reliant upon young'ns to step up.

But im glad you assign one of the greatest offenses ever created to Lebron.

Bron ball

Bron ball is just another term for an offense being designed around one player's style - same way that OKC was/is designed around Russ. They had one of the greatest producing offenses because of Kyrie and LeBron's self-creation abilities, and the fact they had the greatest collection of 3-pt shooters in history, not because of the structure of offense.

lets see where your ass is in May

What's happening in May? The Cavs have a better roster than the Celtics, I don't expect Boston to beat them. It'll damn sure look funny if they do though.

 

[ELESDEE616]

You said, and I quote -

For instance they count anything "not assisted on" i.e the pick and role heavy Cavs offense where Lebron would knock Kyries man off balance allowing Kyrie to get to the basket easy would count as "isolation"

This is you clearly saying "anything not assisted on" they count it as "isolation". Clearly, they don't. Stop digging that hole.

Explain how they determine what an isolation play is in basketball

What's the cause of posting this? It's a PnR league.

False
PnR Offense by Zach Harper - Infogram

Via Synergy Sports, the pick-and-roll, in general, is far less effective league-wide now than it was five seasons ago, but overall offensive efficiency is also less dependent on pick-and-roll play than it was back in 2006-09. The best offenses excel in this system. The five best offenses in the NBA (Golden State Warriors, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors, and Cleveland Cavaliers), in fact, are all in the top 12 in points per possession on pick-and-roll plays. The Warriors are first (surprise), the Thunder are ninth, the Spurs are fifth, the Raptors are second and the Cavs are 12th. What's interesting is the frequency these teams are using the pick-and-roll, according to Synergy.



If you open the chart pick and roll offenses are at their lowest usage since 2006



You have no idea what youre babbling about

And as the video show the cavs scheme is complex and reactive. Kyrie struggled in the offense because hes not an elite facilitator and streaky shooter.

He's already a transcendent player,

21, 5, 3 on 45% shooting is transcendent brehs.

The fukk do you mean he's not a good enough shooter? He's one of the best shooters in the game, particularly when you weigh into account only Curry is a definitively better off-the-dribble shooter. He's been the Cavs most consistent player outside LeBron over the last three season, what gives you the idea he can't be consistent?

Exactly hes a great shooter off the dribble.

When he does dribble, well...


35% from the floor when taking 1 or less dribbles

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fiveth...o-be-a-no-1-but-hes-better-as-a-sidekick/amp/


Hes a streaky rhythm player as to why he has abysmal games

Lets look at his game by game shooting percentages this year


Cleveland - 47%
Milwaukee - 28%
Philadelphia - 41%
New York - 38%
Milwaukee - 55%
Miami - 43%
San An - 63%
Sacramento - 47%
Oklahoma - 45%
Orlando - 30%
Atlanta -63%


Widely inconsistent, as to why in the playoffs when the clamps are put on he struggled early in series.

Kyrie will never be elite

Bron ball is just another term for an offense being designed around one player's style - same way that OKC was/is designed around Russ

compare one of the most efficient, beautiful, high powered, record breaking offenses to OKC brehs.
.

What's happening in May? The Cavs have a better roster than the Celtics, I don't expect Boston to beat them. It'll damn sure look funny if they do though.

The only reason the Cavs have a superior roster is because Legoat.


Give Lebron James Jaylen Brown - 40% from 3, Tatum - 50% from 3 and Horford.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What's the cause of posting this? It's a PnR league.

False
PnR Offense by Zach Harper - Infogram

Via Synergy Sports, the pick-and-roll, in general, is far less effective league-wide now than it was five seasons ago, but overall offensive efficiency is also less dependent on pick-and-roll play than it was back in 2006-09. The best offenses excel in this system. The five best offenses in the NBA (Golden State Warriors, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs, Toronto Raptors, and Cleveland Cavaliers), in fact, are all in the top 12 in points per possession on pick-and-roll plays. The Warriors are first (surprise), the Thunder are ninth, the Spurs are fifth, the Raptors are second and the Cavs are 12th. What's interesting is the frequency these teams are using the pick-and-roll, according to Synergy.



If you open the chart pick and roll offenses are at their lowest usage since 2006

You have no idea what youre babbling about

You've got to be the first poster on this board who've I've come across that doesn't understand the articles/stats that they reference, and has the gall to flex like they do. That article (Pick and roll not the force it once was, but it still drives best NBA offenses) does not say that's it's no longer a PnR league, it says that it's not as effective as it once was because defenses have adapted to it over time. Just like the previous graph you used, you can't read this one properly either. That graph doesn't show PnR "usage", it shows the effectiveness of the PnR - two completely different things.

What's even funnier is there's a graph from that article that shows the frequency in which teams run the PnR -

And the funniest thing of all, this is this is a quote from the article you posted -

The pick-and-roll isn't going out of style, though. As the defensive rules have been maximized more and more, post play has fallen by the wayside for a lot of teams. That means a huge increase in pick-and-roll plays over the last 10 years, nearly doubling the frequency at which they're run. There are also a lot of big men in the NBA who still struggle with defending the pick-and-roll -- not to mention, when you're playing against younger players and rebuilding cores, it's easier to get them to pay when they forget they have to go over the screen against deadly initiators. Those advantages will always exist in some form throughout the course of any given game.

Here you are trying to argue against my point - "it's a PnR league", and the article you referenced trying to prove me wrong actually states that there's a huge increase in PnR play.

I'm using your OWN material against you - TWICE in a row. And you have the nerve to tell me I don't know what I'm babbling about. I'm not even going to respond to your other shyt, cause I feel too embarrassed for you. That's seriously some shameful ass posting. Take your ass back to the bench.

Ugh.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Argue that it's no longer a PnR league and then reference an article that says PnR activity has actually increased brehs.

 

[ELESDEE616]

33% from the field 19 points 5 assists


Streaky player. MVP my ass. Kyrie will never be elite.

 

[BigTyme Records]

33% from the field 19 points 5 assists


Streaky player. MVP my ass. Kyrie will never be elite.

I really think Al Horford has been the best all around player for the C's, Dude stepped up his play

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

33% from the field 19 points 5 assists


Streaky player. MVP my ass. Kyrie will never be elite.

I see you finally decided to show your face, after embarrassing yourself earlier. LeBron stans, y'all.

 

[ELESDEE616]

I really think Al Horford has been the best all around player for the C's, Dude stepped up his play

I dont even know if Kyrie is the 2nd best player on a night by night basis.


Cant wait till the playoffs when teams actually play D and when all these young cats are gonna be looking for Kyrie to come save them and dude is having is 30% from the field nights like he regularly did with Cleveland in the playoffs

 

[ELESDEE616]

I see you finally decided to show your face, after embarrassing yourself earlier. LeBron stans, y'all.

You didnt embarrass shyt you no life havin ass loser. Your takes are so retarded and dweebish it makes my eyes hurt. As evidence by tonight when great shooter kyrie struggled from the field. Up and done the Kyrie roller coaster. Until the playoffs when your bytch ass will be copin pleas.

 

[BigTyme Records]

I dont even know if Kyrie is the 2nd best player on a night by night basis.


Cant wait till the playoffs when teams actually play D and when all these young cats are gonna be looking for Kyrie to come save them and dude is having is 30% from the field nights like he regularly did with Cleveland in the playoffs

Yeah I aint even trying to hate on Kyrie, he dope. But theres no way dude can be MVP with those mediocre numbers, dude isnt even better than last year to be honest...Just cause his team winning don't magically make him some improved player imo

 

[ELESDEE616]

Yeah I aint even trying to hate on Kyrie, he dope. But theres no way dude can be MVP with those mediocre numbers, dude isnt even better than last year to be honest...Just cause his team winning don't magically make him some improved player imo

Yeah hes nice, he plays good D, can play in a system with others something his haters didnt think was possible.

However he will have nights where he can cook anyone in the league and drop 50, other nights where your like what the fukk is he doing. Especially in the playoffs.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You didnt embarrass shyt you no life havin ass loser. Your takes are so retarded and dweebish it makes my eyes hurt. As evidence by tonight when great shooter kyrie struggled from the field. Up and donw the Kyrie roller coaster. Until the playoffs when you bytch ass will be copin pleas.

Your dumb cracker ass posted stats/articles you couldn't even comprehend, so much so that you couldn't see they went against your argument. I didn't even need to go searching for my own references/material, because you handed them to me on a plate. And you're still none the wiser as to what happened. Straight smart dumb shameful shyt.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You've got to be the first poster on this board who've I've come across that doesn't understand the articles/stats that they reference, and has the gall to flex like they do.