Is Joe Burrow The Most Overrated QB?

[BucciMane]

nikkas got teammates with 45 & 22 pro bowls, but trying to claim their QB is better than Burrow. Give Lamar or Josh the Bengals D and they wouldn't be even worst than the Bengals are right now. There is nothing more Burrow can do to make his team better than they are. Hes playing with the hand he's dealt with. Hes #1 in every QB category.

1. You’re not dumb and you know pro-bowls don’t mean much. Those numbers would give Amari Cooper five pro-bowls and he’s played far from that this season. Come on, that’s just absurd.

2. Everyone knows the Bengals defense has been terrible.

3. Those numbers ignore awful sacks that Burrow takes that don’t always have to do with his OL. There were numerous times this season he had chances on fourth and short and butchered it. It happens to every QB, not just him.

4. If you’re talking about his numbers, you can’t ignore that he has Chase and Higgins. You can’t discredit him because of that, but you can say that what Allen has done may be more impressive because he has less to work with on offense.

 

[VegetasHairline]

You're still right, because Burrow has beaten Allen too...

Mahomes is 5-1 vs the other three guys in the playoffs. 1-1 vs Burrow, 1-0 vs Lamar, 3-0 vs Allen;

Burrow is 2-1 vs the other guys. 1-1 vs Mahomes, 1-0 vs Allen;

Allen is 1-4 vs the other guys. 1-0 vs Lamar, 0-1 vs Burrow, 0-3 vs Mahomes;

Lamar is 0-2 vs the other guys, losing once apiece to Allen and Mahomes...

If you take their H2H playoff stats, here's how these guys perform vs each other:

Mahomes
72.6% comp, 293.3 ypg, 7.8 ypa, 14-2 TD/int, 113.3 rating, 22.5 rush ypg, 1 TD

Allen
63.5% comp, 254.4 ypg, 6.3 ypa, 8-2 TD/int, 91.4 passer rating, 51.4 rush ypg, 3 TD

Burrow
62.6% comp, 254 ypg, 6.6 ypa, 5-3 TD/int, 86.2 passer rating, 28.7 rush ypg

Lamar
55.7% comp, 217 ypg, 7.1 ypa, 1-2 TD/int, 68.5 passer rating, 44 rush ypg

QBs don't beat other QBs.

 

[BucciMane]

@ReturnOfJudah

I’ll be the happiest person outside of Cincinnati if the Bengals make the playoffs and a deep run as I put quite a bit on them the other day.

I don’t dislike Burrow. I think he’s the fourth best QB in the NFL. I don’t think that’s a knock on him at all.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

1. You’re not dumb and you know pro-bowls don’t mean much. Those numbers would give Amari Cooper five pro-bowls and he’s played far from that this season. Come on, that’s just absurd.

2. Everyone knows the Bengals defense has been terrible.

3. Those numbers ignore awful sacks that Burrow takes that don’t always have to do with his OL. There were numerous times this season he had chances on fourth and short and butchered it. It happens to every QB, not just him.

4. If you’re talking about his numbers, you can’t ignore that he has Chase and Higgins. You can’t discredit him because of that, but you can say that what Allen has done may be more impressive because he has less to work with on offense.

yeah one team has 21 all pros, the next team had 12 and Burrow has 5. But all pros don't count too right. Burrow gotta kick FGs and play CBs too

 

[BucciMane]

yeah one team has 21 all pros, the next team had 12 and Burrow has 5. But all pros don't count too right. Burrow gotta kick FGs and play CBs too

Come on, I don’t want to say you’re dumb as you’re smarter than this.

Does a player having five all-pro selections with their last one being four years ago have the same value as someone that had one last year or even Chase this year? Come on, stop it.

 

[David_TheMan]

Is Joe Burrow the most overrated QB right now? I’m not saying he’s not a top ten QB, but it’s laughable when people put him up with Mahomes, and even up there with a handful of other QB’s.

Other than saying intangible and “He just wins”, what is he elite at? People say Lamar is fragile and a risk for injury, especially when it was contract time, but Burrow is injured ALL the time.

I know our resident LSU fan will likely see the LSU player bat signal and come running in here in full defense, but is Burrow the most overrated QB?

What is overrated about him?

He has excellent arm strength, mental fortitude, extremely accurate, excellent football IQ, pocket awareness, situational awareness.

He has everything you could want in a QB.

 

[BucciMane]

What is overrated about him?

He has excellent arm strength, mental fortitude, extremely accurate, excellent football IQ, pocket awareness, situational awareness.

He has everything you could want in a QB.

I specified posts later that I’m talking about him getting more passes than any QB, and that he is not on the level of Mahomes, Lamar, and Allen. If you put him on their level, then he’s overrated. He is clearly a tier below.

 

[David_TheMan]

I specified posts later that I’m talking about him getting more passes than any QB, and that he is not on the level of Mahomes, Lamar, and Allen. If you put him on their level, then he’s overrated. He is clearly a tier below.

Why isn't he on their level?
As a QB I would put him over Allen and Lamar, in terms of skill at the position as a passer, I think running ability for Allen and lamar compensate and allow them to be on burrows level.

I think burrow skill wise is the only one comparable to machines who is clearly the best operating today. IMHO.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Come on, I don’t want to say you’re dumb as you’re smarter than this.

Does a player having five all-pro selections with their last one being four years ago have the same value as someone that had one last year or even Chase this year? Come on, stop it.

Chase only has 1 all pro team. And none of this has do with the fact that Burrow clearly is playing against teams more talented and gets more done with less.

 

[BucciMane]

Chase only has 1 all pro team. And none of this has do with the fact that Burrow clearly is playing against teams more talented and gets more done with less.

What means more this season? If Chase has an all-pro and let's say Higgins makes a pro-bowl, or..............Amari Cooper having five pro-bowls from 2015-2023? You're trying to paint a conversation that is misleading by adding up career pro-bowls and all-pros that have little to do with anything this season. It would be like someone saying Brady played with a weapon that made ten pro-bowls and five all-pros, and that weapon being Matthew Slater.

And, what do you mean Burrow is playing against teams more talented and gets more done with less? Less as in his overall team or offense? Gets more done with less as in missed the playoffs last year, possibly missing it this year? And, don't give me the line that he was injured last year as the Bengals were only .500 with him for ten games and they finished...................over .500.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

What means more this season? If Chase has an all-pro and let's say Higgins makes a pro-bowl, or..............Amari Cooper having five pro-bowls from 2015-2023? You're trying to paint a conversation that is misleading by adding up career pro-bowls and all-pros that have little to do with anything this season. It would be like someone saying Brady played with a weapon that made ten pro-bowls and five all-pros, and that weapon being Matthew Slater.

And, what do you mean Burrow is playing against teams more talented and gets more done with less? Less as in his overall team or offense? Gets more done with less as in missed the playoffs last year, possibly missing it this year? And, don't give me the line that he was injured last year as the Bengals were only .500 with him for ten games and they finished...................over .500.

If yall are putting QBs over each because of Wins not who's better and the Bengals Defense is 2x as worst as any other MVP candidate. Burrow kills any other QB if we look at the stats. Yall want to look at wins, which is Burrow can't control due to a shytty D.

 

[FTBS]

If yall are putting QBs over each because of Wins not who's better and the Bengals Defense is 2x as worst as any other MVP candidate. Burrow kills any other QB if we look at the stats. Yall want to look at wins, which is Burrow can't control due to a shytty D.

All I ask is that the energy is maintained. We not trippin on QB wins no more? Fine. So I aint gonna hear shyt about which QB didnt get it done in the playoffs as long as they get their numbers right? If they lose on a defensive play we cant blame them right? We wont have any QBs having their career rep made while putting up pedestrain numbers and being led to a to a SB L by their defense right?

 

[BucciMane]

If yall are putting QBs over each because of Wins not who's better and the Bengals Defense is 2x as worst as any other MVP candidate. Burrow kills any other QB if we look at the stats. Yall want to look at wins, which is Burrow can't control due to a shytty D.

I'm not one who just looks at wins. That is dumb, and that's why it's lame that wins are a QB stat. I agree with you on that.

I don't disagree with the Bengals having a worse defense. But, I do not completely agree with you about the statistics. At face value, Burrow's passing statistics and TD numbers are superior to Lamar and Allen. However, it is very close with Lamar, and Lamar has a lot more rushing yards. Allen does not have the same offensive weapons either. You have to look at everything in totality, not just the raw numbers.

Again, I think Burrow is the fourth best QB in the NFL. I just think there's a gap, albeit a small one.

Mahomes

Lamar/Allen

Burrow



As I've said before, the separator is the ability to improvise and make some of these off balance throws when running near the sideline that we see Lamar and more so Allen make in critical moments. They both have the ability to do that, something Burrow and almost EVERY other QB can't do.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

All I ask is that the energy is maintained. We not trippin on QB wins no more? Fine. So I aint gonna hear shyt about which QB didnt get it done in the playoffs as long as they get their numbers right? If they lose on a defensive play we cant blame them right? We wont have any QBs having their career rep made while putting up pedestrain numbers and being led to a to a SB L by their defense right?

Burrow has more overall playoff wins and better stats NOW. Yall can use whatever narrative yall want. I'm just calling out the fact that Burrow is better but yall playing mental gymnastics looking for reasons to say he's not

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

Burrow has more overall playoff wins and better stats NOW. Yall can use whatever narrative yall want. I'm just calling out the fact that Burrow is better but yall playing mental gymnastics looking for reasons to say he's not

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