Is it possible that the devil tricked us?
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that's cesare borgia....he was a devil.
@MMS I don't know what to truly believe. In your view is the Bible correct? Should I read and study it or is it false?got nothing to do with meconsider the title of the thread
those who believe in the devil, will get the devil
Bible Gateway passage: Proverbs 8 - King James Version
Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. O ye simple...www.biblegateway.com
God is better to me than I am to myself, that is my input.
What about Alexander the Great father Philip? Was he a pharaoh?
Christianity continued...
we have identified the ancient pagan deities as being dissembled within the modern religions of our time, with the symbols for pluto/hafes and posiden/Neptune easily found in Hinduism and the symbols for Saturn found in islam and Judaism. These ancient deities have also been irrefutable demonstrated to be the fallen angels depicted in the bible, through careful analysis of the old and new testaments. One may argue if the ancient deities are depicted in there entirety, then where is the supposed 'king of the gods' jupiter/zeus? if all the religions are mere replications of ancient pagan culture, even represented by name, then all these deities should be present and visible in our modern era, including the ancient 'king of gods' jupiter. This is where we find the most heinous deception of the Christian church. The name jesus Christ is a false name, and with that false name comes a false doctrine and a false image. the worship of jesus Christ is as non biblical as the worship of allah or shiva, even through the use of biblical terminology, the doctrine of jesus is contrary to the entire bible. jesus Christ is the literal anti Christ, the signs and symbols are the signature of satan using the bible and manipulating its contents. jesus is jupiter.
The name jesus is derived from a greek name iesooce. as is widely known, the name jesus was not the name used in Hebrew or greek and did not exist until the seventeenth century. The Hebrew name of the Messiah is Yahusha and the Messiah Yahusha presented Himself with the doctrine upholding the law of Moses, not annihilating it.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil Mattityahu 5 17
The followers of jesus whole heartedly destroy all of the commandments of Yahuah and set their own law, based on love, in replacing the actual law. In their doctrine, faith in jesus supercedes all commanded doctrine, so that through faith in jesus it is now ok to, worship using idols, worship on pagan holidays, worship on a day that is not the Sabbath and denounce Alaheim's commanded laws for the church. This deception is completed when we analyze the name jesus
the name jesus is an amalgamation that represents the name 'zeus', the ancient greek deity worshipped all throughout the greek world, concurrent with the early church true worship of the messiah. As has been previously stated, the devil uses language tricks and phonetic associations to fool followers into incorrect worship, with this knowledge we find the name of jesus contains an obvious greek reference to the god zeus. The suffix -sus, in the name jesus refers to zeus and is used in the greek names Dionysus, Ephesus, Pegasus, thesius, persius etc. Upon superficial analysis the connection may not be as evident, as their is a different spelling for the name jesus in greek than zeus, the phonetic equivalent however is the deception used here.
Phonetic equivalents work from language to language and even within languages to promote the worship of false deities. In ancient times the deity worshipped by the nation will invariably be placed in the names of the people associated with these nations. A quick example of this function is evident in the name Jezebel (Isabel in Hebrew). The suffix -bel, denotes the god she worshipped, baal, but here it is spelled and pronounced slightly different, as to hide its true meaning. so baal = bel = bale = belle, just as we learned earlier geometric equivalents work by hexagram = hexagon = cube. This is how the -sus suffix works, the name zeus is pronounced in greek as soos, so it can be transliterated in several differing ways that all have equal pronunciation and meaning. These examples are even prevelant in pop culture, alongside the name jesus. the phonetic equivalents are as follows: zeus = soos = sius = sus = seus = seuss = saos = sos etc. So the name jeSUS, spelled in Poland jezus, pronounced in Spanish he-soos is a phonetic equivalent for the ancient god zeus. Learning also that the Name of the Messiah, correctly pronounced in Hebrew is Yahusha, the difference in the rendition is quite obvious as deception on a grand scale.
Another reference in Christianity, if one is needed at this point, is the depicted image of jesus/zeus as a long haired bearded white male often holding a sign of two fingers and a thumb in the air. This image is universally assigned to jesus in all cultures around the world, even though historically the entire nation of Israel were known to be people of color. The hand sign used in these renderings is evidence of the false messianic presence, as this symbol is also a pagan tradition. The use of secret hand signs and gestures goes back in the ancient world to pagan worship. The hand symbols were used as teaching tools to represent in secret a satanic doctrine, in ancient Judaism, the worship of deities other than Yahuah was met with death, so a secret satanic hand system was developed too undermine the true ancient Judaic worship of Yahuah. The book of proverbs specifies this language as being wicked in nature and incredibly well hidden.
12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. 13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;
14 Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Proverbs 6 12 -14
We find examples of this method of teahching with fingers in a buddist/hindu hand position called the vitarka mudra:
The Buddha statues and the iconographic representations of other Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are often depicted with their hands performing a number of different poses and ritual postures. These hand gestures and postures are commonly known as the Mudras. Among various mudras we can see in these sculptures,Vitarka mudra is one of the much commonly found mudra or poses. Vitarka Mudra is the mudra or a gesture representing the discussion and transmission of the teachings by the Buddha. It is also taken as the hand gesture which induces the energy of the teachings and discussions of the spiritual principles which may also involve the arguments of the ideas. These discussions may also feel like the transmission of a particular teaching without the use of words.
http://www.burmese-art.com/vitarka-mudra-hand-position-buddha
These gestures are even today used in the pagan community outside of hindu or buddist belief structure in order to secretly display their allegiance to a satan, as well as depicting a satanic parable, through an elaborate subsystem of sign language, seen here in these depictions of jesus.
Notice that in all four pictures that jesus is making the same two finger + thumb hand gesture, but also notice his other hand, which appears to be touching the exposed heart. jesus here is not actually attempting to touch the heart, he is pointing to the other hand sign. The outstretched finger pointing to the other hand is a subconscious slight of hand trick, drawing your subliminal attention to the handsign, thus the trick, thus the parable. This is the way these hand signs work as sort of a magic trick, relying on an individuals attention system and level of occult knowledge to fool and subdue mentally. Notice here the bapomet demon presenting the same hand sign. why would the demon and jesus show the same hand gesture in exactly the same manner? because they are one in the same. notice also that in every picture the sun is represented behind the head of jesus, this also connects back to the hindu god shiva and symbolic sun worship. In one final picture, we will identify narasingh, the lion headed reincarnation of Vishnu in Hinduism, making the same hand gesture, also with the sun fixed behind his head. This is a universal religion that appears different in each culture, based on the metamorphic qualities of the demons they represent, but maintaining a heiroglyfic, symbolic sublanguage prevelant in each incarnation, in each culture.
the bible, along with the book of enoch, predict this behavior specifically.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11 14
1. And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons ⌈⌈as gods⌉⌉, (here shall they stand,) till ⌈⌈the day of⌉⌉ the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. Book of Enoch chapter 19
@Rhakim what are your thoughts on this post?
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If you really want a breakdown.....
Every day of the year is some pagan holiday at some point, and the dates of holidays like Christmas and Easter are unimportant to me as they obviously are never mentioned in the Bible or early Christianity nor are essential to our faith. And Jeremiah 10:2 ("Do not learn the ways of the Gentiles") is more a vague principle than a specific edict, and is made to the Jewish people, not the Christians many of whom were Gentiles themselves. So I don't find this worrying about holiday dates very meaningful. Even if it were true, it wouldn't matter because the date of Christmas is irrelevant to my faith.
In terms of whether the dates of Christmas etc. were actually chosen because they were on pagan holidays? It looks likely to be a false claim. We've covered this before:
Kyrie Thoughts are back...doesn’t think Christmas is a real holiday (but enjoys opening presents)
Jesus was born in the spring in all likelihood according to researchers. Don't know what happened with the December date people just took it and ran with it I guess. Read about the Roman Emperor Constantine and him trying to make compromise to integrating Christianity with the pagan holidays.
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Personally I don't think Christians should be carrying around gold or silver of any worth, especially not to show off, and I find expressions of faith based in precious medals to be extremely distasteful. But no one thinks a cross is their God.
First off, Christianity changed the day they set aside for worship but they didn't change the "sabbath". The Sabbath as practiced by the Jews is a Jewish concept that Jesus clearly says is not necessary for Christians to follow in that way (Matthew 12:1-13 and many other passages, see also Colossians 2:16-17). But even more obviously the day of worship wasn't changed to appease "pagan worshipers of the son", it was done to differentiate themselves from sabbath-worshipping Jews who failed to acknowledge Christ and to mark the day of Christ's resurrection, which is far more relevant in Christian doctrine and history than any sort of need to appease "sun worship".
The Council of Nicea is used as a boogeyman to make all sorts of wild claims (for example, in a different thread today it's claimed that Nicea is where the books of the Bible were decided, something that isn't even mentioned in this argument). There's fair, because the Council of Nicea was one of the first times that government had any involvement with Christian leaders in the West - until 313 Christianity hadn't even been legal in Rome. And I do indeed think there were some dangerous associations with power in the 4th century that turned the Church in a dangerous direction. But claiming Nicea as a place where any sort of doctrine changed in order to become more pagan is simply ahistorical.
The basic dispute that led to the Council of Nicea was the Arian question - Was the son etneral in nature from the beginning, or was he a creation of God at a set point in time? This was a purely CHRISTIAN question, it had nothing to do with greco-pagan religion. The council was formed because people were upset that there was division WITHIN the Christian church, it had nothing to do with aligning the Church with outsiders.
Also, Christianity was damn near 300 years old at this point and had already spread across the entire Roman empire 200 years earlier. Claiming it was an "upstart messianic judaic movement" is ridiculous. Christianity was already completely ingrained into the culture, making it legal was simply an acknowledgement that attempts to stomp it out had completely failed. Note, however, that attempts by Roman emperors to stomp out Christianity didn't stop in 313. The emperor Julian who ruled in the 360s made a concerted effort to persecute Christians and promote pagan Roman practices instead. This wouldn't make any sense if the Romans had long before decided to "merge greco-pagan religion with messianic Judaism", as was claimed.
I wonder how you follow the commands regarding annual and seasonal temple sacrifices then?
If you demand Christians to follow Old Testament rules then you're clearly denying the authority of Jesus. From the sabbath to food laws to cleanliness to animal sacrifice to divorce to the forbidding of marrying or even associating with non-Hebrews, it is clear that the laws given to the ancient Hebrews were for their time and not meant to be followed once Jesus Christ has come. I mean in the Old Testament, God commands the Israelites to wipe out entire nations just to make sure race-mixing does not happen - do you seriously think that's a Christian position?
You underestimate scripture, is it "race" mixing...or "faith" mixing
Matthew 10:34-36
So I can illuminate a few ideas, in Ancient egyptian thought, the word Mwt means both Mother and Death. Why do you think that is?
mwt - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
In the Hebrew times, those were not seen as separate. Merely converting to the Hebrew faith would not be enough, which is why in many cases when new territories were conquered the command was to slaughter even the women and children so they wouldn't contaminate the faith. If mere faith-mixing, and not race-mixing, was the issue, then why not only slaughter the ones who wouldn't convert to the Hebrew faith?
Look for example at Ezra. The emphasis the entire time is on the foreignness of the women - no effort is made to see if any of the foreign women are following the Hebrew faith, merely being foreign is enough to get them thrown out:
“We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign women from the peoples of the land, but even now there is hope for Israel in spite of this. Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God, and let it be done according to the Law." - Ezra 10:2-3
And Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, “You have broken faith and married foreign women, and so increased the guilt of Israel. Now then make confession to the Lord, the God of your fathers and do his will. Separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives.” Then all the assembly answered with a loud voice, “It is so; we must do as you have said. - Ezra 10:10-12
Now there were found some of the sons of the priests who had married foreign women: Maaseiah, Eliezer, Jarib, and Gedaliah, some of the sons of Jeshua the son of Jozadak and his brothers. They pledged themselves to put away their wives, and their guilt offering was a ram of the flock for their guilt...All these had married foreign women, and some of the women had even borne children. - Ezra 10:18-19, 44
In Leviticus the symbolism was even extended to plants and animals to drive the point home:
“You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material. - Leviticus 19:19
Was the "faith-mixing" of cattle and cloth the issue here?
Or how about this one?
On that day they read from the Book of Moses in the hearing of the people. And in it was found written that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever enter the assembly of God, for they did not meet the people of Israel with bread and water, but hired Balaam against them to curse them—yet our God turned the curse into a blessing. As soon as the people heard the law, they separated from Israel all those of foreign descent. Nehemiah 13:3
In those days also I saw the Jews who had married women of Ashdod, Ammon, and Moab. And half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod, and they could not speak the language of Judah, but only the language of each people. And I confronted them and cursed them and beat some of them and pulled out their hair. And I made them take an oath in the name of God, saying, “You shall not give your daughters to their sons, or take their daughters for your sons or for yourselves. Did not Solomon king of Israel sin on account of such women? Among the many nations there was no king like him, and he was beloved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel. Nevertheless, foreign women made even him to sin. Shall we then listen to you and do all this great evil and act treacherously against our God by marrying foreign women?” - Numbers 13:23-27
So no Ammonite or Moabite can ever enter the assembly, whether they worship God or not? They didn't separate "all who worship foreign gods", they separated "all who were of foreign descent".
The Israelites were living in a simpler, more rigid time, where they were so susceptible to failing that over and over they had to remove foreigners entirely and ban intermarriage entirely. Such a command would NEVER be given in the Christian era, it is 100% clear that there is no Greek nor Jew, but all are one under Christ Jesus.
And that was just one principle. Notice that you said nothing about the cessation of temple sacrifice, or the cessation of food laws, purity and disease laws, sabbath practice, the completely different attitudes towards lethal violence and genocide, etc.
@Rhakim
its because you are understanding the names in the books of moses as peoples. If you understood the hebrew translation for the names you would read those passages differently. Its a consequence of going from septuagint to english.
The function of a woman in ancient times had a different spiritual understanding as it does today. Thus why i mentioned the egyptians perspective of women that you ignored. Much of the "law" affects women far more than men especially when you extrapolate that a few generations.
its because you are understanding the names in the books of moses as peoples. If you understood the hebrew translation for the names you would read those passages differently. Its a consequence of going from septuagint to english.
The function of a woman in ancient times had a different spiritual understanding as it does today. Thus why i mentioned the egyptians perspective of women that you ignored. Much of the "law" affects women far more than men especially when you extrapolate that a few generations.
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I believe that good is obvious as well as evil. I also don’t want to debate religion online. It’s funny to me that people who do no research on these things have the loudest voices. As if people have not tried to discredit religion for millennia.