Is Group Economics Among Black Americans Just A Pipe Dream?

[Serious]

i'll rightfully move the goal posts and say this 13 yr old nicca tryina come up with answers. he still need to move out his parents house to speak. probably adopted. i ain' hearing nothin from this nicca. nothin. i just skip his posts.

BET isn't run by black ppl and there's always anyone willing to do ignorant sh1t for money. last time i watched bet was in 2005 or something.

This n1gga is older than me too. Duke is 25....

Idk what to say when dude nonchalantly said he agreed with the Travon Verdict

 

[bigDeeOT]

Lol yeah I'm gonna have to make some videos for yall.

 

[cinna_man]

Anyway, @cinna_man

"Can you name a single tribe of people that have integrated successfully into a civilization within 300 years?"

Asians did it within the last 50 years come on dude.

And did it more successfully than the Africans or Native Americans in America? I'd like some proof of that.

Being able to run a fraction of a second faster than anyone else doesn't matter in terms of practical purposes. But it does show that Africans have a genetic advantage over caucasians at sprinting. Black people have an average penis size significantly larger than asians. So from that I will postulate that there is most PROBABLY at least one if not several aspects of our mental state that are different among racial groups.

Postulating genetic differences is bad, bro. Throughout history, that's been reason for eugenic genocide.

I'll agree to be open to the possibility, but what then? What if a study shows blacks really are missing a couple genes that limit their intelligence? I fail to see how your postulate gets us anywhere.

As I said earlier, in 3000 years, there will no longer be separate races living in the same location. Different locations, like continents, is a different story but considering globalism, unlikely to be a barrier either.

 

[bigDeeOT]

The closer we understand reality, the better decisions we can make. If we make our decisions based on a fantasy we may have trouble predicting the future. I don't think we should hide the truth just because we are afraid of where it may take us.

I don't believe all races will meld together. One thing I could see happening is like 50% of the population being mixed. But there will still be racial groups because for instance within India it is considered an abomination to marry outside your caste, let alone outside your race. Japan is also very racially homogeneous. There will always be races and as time goes on throughout recorded history, the differences between racial groups will be more and more obvious.

I have to give you credit for at least being open minded to the idea. That is a million light years ahead of our peers here.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

The closer we understand reality, the better decisions we can make. If we make our decisions based on a fantasy we may have trouble predicting the future. I don't think we should hide the truth just because we are afraid of where it may take us.

I don't believe all races will meld together. One thing I could see happening is like 50% of the population being mixed. But there will still be racial groups because for instance within India it is considered an abomination to marry outside your caste, let alone outside your race. Japan is also very racially homogeneous. There will always be races and as time goes on throughout recorded history, the differences between racial groups will be more and more obvious.

I have to give you credit for at least being open minded to the idea. That is a million light years ahead of our peers here.

All you do is simply substitute empirical, reasoned, logical thinking, with offensive racist bullsht. Its funny how often you project about others living in a fantasy world bereft of reality, yet all you advance is neo-nazi fetishism, long since debunked, that exists only in your head and that of similarly minded losers like you. You're in for a rude awakening when your online racist bullsht catches up to you, and you're checked in real life over it.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Actually a lot of people believe what I do. They just don't talk about it because this atmosphere of political correctness doesn't allow for the free expression of ideas when it comes to race.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

The closer we understand reality, the better decisions we can make. If we make our decisions based on a fantasy we may have trouble predicting the future. I don't think we should hide the truth just because we are afraid of where it may take us.

I don't believe all races will meld together. One thing I could see happening is like 50% of the population being mixed. But there will still be racial groups because for instance within India it is considered an abomination to marry outside your caste, let alone outside your race. Japan is also very racially homogeneous. There will always be races and as time goes on throughout recorded history, the differences between racial groups will be more and more obvious.

I have to give you credit for at least being open minded to the idea. That is a million light years ahead of our peers here.

Every single scientific study (outside of neo-nazists/facists reports) debunks your argument so where is your relevant proof of genetic monotonicity? The genetic make up of a human consists of ~99.9% similarity with a 85% sequence difference within that 0.1%, so where will these racial similarities be?

 

[cinna_man]

Every single scientific study (outside of neo-nazists/facists reports) debunks your argument so where is your relevant proof of genetic monotonicity? The genetic make up of a human consists of ~99.9% similarity with a 85% sequence difference within that 0.1%, so where will these racial similarities be?

I agree, but I will add that Humans share 99% of the same genes with chimps and bonobos. Genetic percentages can deceive.
http://news.sciencemag.org/plants-animals/2012/06/bonobos-join-chimps-closest-human-relatives

That being said, there's no comparison to race and species.

 

[cinna_man]

There's a difference between each human having 99% of the same genes and each population having 90% of the gene variability within humankind (this is what I meant when describing gene pools) (maybe this is what fkdmR meant with the 85% sequence difference? I don't know that vocab).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics

Since the 1960s scientists have understood race as a social construct imposed on phenotypes in culturally determined ways, rather than a biological concept. A 2000 study by Celera Genomics found that human DNA does not differ significantly across populations. Citizens of any village in the world, in Scotland or Tanzania, have 90 percent of the genetic variability humanity has to offer. Only .01 percent of genes account for a person's appearance.

Richard Dawkins accepting the possibility for genetic difference but concluding that there is no functional difference:

In The Ancestor's Tale Richard Dawkins devotes a chapter to the subject of race and genetics. After an extensive discussion race, and how the term is not well defined, Dawkins turns to the genetics of race. Dawkins describes the relatively low genetic variation between races, and geneticists conclusion that race is not an important aspect of a person. These conclusions echo those of Lewontin, and Dawkins characterizes this view as scientific orthodoxy. However, Dawkins felt that reasonable genetic conclusions had been tainted by Lewontins politics. Dawkins accepted Lewontin's position that our perception of relatively large differences between human races and subgroups, as compared to the variation within these groups, is a biased perception and that human races and populations are remarkably similar to each other, with the largest part by far of human variation being accounted for by the differences between individuals. Dawkins' also agreed with Lewontin that racial classification had no social value, and was in fact destructive. Together with Edwards, Dawkins disagreed with Lewontin that this means race is of 'virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance' and summarized Edwards' point that however small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlated with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance. Dawkins went on to concludes that racial classification informs us about no more than the traits common used to classify race: the superficial, external traits like eye shape and skin color.[34]

Most variation is found within populations, not between them:

It has been argued that knowledge of a person's race is limited in value, since people of the same race vary from one another.[27] Witherspoon and colleagues (2007) have argued that when individuals are assigned to population groups, two randomly chosen individuals from different populations can resemble each other more than a randomly chosen member of their own group. They found that many thousands of genetic markers had to be used for the answer to "How often is a pair of individuals from one population genetically more dissimilar than two individuals chosen from two different populations?" to be "never". This assumed three population groups, separated by large geographic distances (European, African and East Asian). The global human population is more complex, and studying a large number of groups would require an increased number of markers for the same answer. They conclude that "caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes",[47] and "The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them.

For example if a person has light skin, light hair and blue eyes, a combination of traits that seems to have evolved in Northern Europe and is found at a high frequency there, it is probable that person has some recent European ancestry. And by extension, according to the racial categories in use in North America that person is likely to be classified by others, and to self-identify, as "white". In a similar way, Genetic analysis enables us to determine the geographic ancestry of a person pinpointing the migrational history of a person's ancestors with a high degree of accuracy, and by inference the probable racial category into which they will be classified in a given society. In that way there is a distinct statistical correlation between gene frequencies and racial categories. However, because all populations are genetically diverse, and because there is a complex relation between ancestry, genetic makeup and phenotype, and because racial categories are based on subjective evaluations of the traits, it is not the case that there are any specific genes, that can be used to determine a person's race.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php

"Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences," says Templeton.

 

[cinna_man]

@bigDeeOT Still curious about this tribe that managed to assimilate more successfully than anyone else in 50 years....

 

[cinna_man]

On the topic of economics once again.... The black community, like any other culture in competition with another culture, is held back by trying to stay separate. This "black power", "fukk the white man", "everyone's bringing us down", "fukk the cac", "nikka nikka" shyt is counter productive!! Once upon a time, whites made you stay separate, but now you choose to?? And in return, I'll grant that the white people have reacted to separate black communities and labeled blacks as failures or whatever. All in all, we have a cultural competition that will take years and years to sort out.

Let's not ignore the reality that the future will bring cultural homogeneity. Say we're talking 2000 years into the future... Let's look back 2000 years and see if anything remains. Do you ever hear anyone say "I'm Roman" or "I'm Greek" (meaning ancient Greek)? "I stick to Macedonian ways and fukk the Persians for their attempts to defeat Alexander the Great" ? I guess the war of Judeo-Christian and Muslim religions has fukked up that region to an extent, but keep in mind that those religions did not exist 2000 years ago (I guess Judaism did, but that's it). As long as there isn't a "2nd coming" any time soon, we should be good.

I agree with a lot of elements in black culture more than any other (in pop culture at least, not many indigenous peoples have a voice; no native Americans or Australians or Asians do shyt in pop culture), simply because they are a more preserved relic of human history, of tribal ways. It hits me more purely and naturally. I can relate to the struggles because of all the struggle in my life.

Take all that good stuff and share it with the world, and with white people for godsakes!!! And learn more of their ways! Don't limit yourself by the past. Maybe I can get away with that, having Euro/Jewish/American heritage, because that still means I'll belong in some way. But blacks can't. If blacks limit themselves to the past and put a fence around their community, they're doomed to ghettos for eternity. But that's not going to happen, so get with the program, or fall behind the pack.

 

[Blackking]

talking about protection is a freaking taboo in the black community

one reason it may not happen.

we have come together to advance our communities we have been systematically attacked.

We have a belief that CONTELPRO types programs are in the past, smh

someone cited maryland and atl as examples, those are nothing more than extended plantations for us to live, sleep and rest when we are not spending money in white folks land

Our mindset still isn't right after all these years.. you complete statement is a lil much-- but realistically we are on paid plantations and we are sooo proud of these lil c00n pocket cities that we don't own shyt in.






so naw @Drummage_EL Lets say I offered 100 blacks some property, and offered for them to work at my company, they May not fukk w me because I'm Muslim.
I have black Muslim chicks in my building that Will NOT even speak to my 'friend' because she's not a Muslimah black queen.
Most people people think Black republicans and conservatives are sellouts.
Out media figures are sambos for the most part.
You rarely can find an overwhelming interest in black supporting other blacks.
nikka in the hood do not get along and really aren't interested in economics.
Most of the Afrocentrist, and problack people who Preach this shyt are too funny style to really reach the masses anyway.



So the only way it can happen is my groups doing there own thing and THEN connecting w other small groups.
IT's THE ONLY way that I seen it happen.

OKAY crakkers fukked up Tulsa- but... that's NOT what you were supposed to get out of that story - 1) they kept rebuilding these towns until blacks WANTED to integrate w whites financially - Not because the firebombs and hangings were too much. 2) Also, 100% of that city followed the same culture, religion, customs, and ways -- they were typical black Christians from that region.. they were brothers that built together.

That is the only way I've seem black group economics work in America. In Africa it has always worked the same way for all of history.
I have black friends, associates, bytches, and neighbors. And some crakker neighbors.
BUT Only my black muslim boys call me their brother, and some don't barely know me. We are all different industries and make sure we all eat, suggest places to live and suggest investment properties. We stay close and connected. I'm not some thug nikka- so of course one phone call I could have 6 nikkas murk whoever - cuz we're brothers so NO QUESTIONS asked. I find out 1 brother is buying 5 properties.... I will pass the info to a contractor brother and everyone eats. I quit my job back when We all were still on SOHH- my brothers) even the ones who aren't practicing muslims) held me down til I built my shyt. We support eachother and only deal w cac for our own benefit and goals.

Anyway, so if another group of brothers are doing the same, we can then connect based on the fact that they are also black Americans. But first small groups should be formed.

I want someone to tell me why I'm wrong in thinking this is the only way.

 

[cinna_man]

I want someone to tell me why I'm wrong in thinking this is the only way.

Respond to my latest post above...

 

[Everythingg]

If you dont mind stating on the internet, what state you in @Blackking ? I was thinking of doing something similar to what you're doing but Im still in college and havent met anyone with similar mindsets though I've thrown it around to some people.

 

[alpo]

so naw @Drummage_EL
OKAY crakkers fukked up Tulsa- but... that's NOT what you were supposed to get out of that story - 1) they kept rebuilding these towns until blacks WANTED to integrate w whites financially - Not because the firebombs and hangings were too much. 2) Also, 100% of that city followed the same culture, religion, customs, and ways -- they were typical black Christians from that region.. they were brothers that built together.

What you mean on number 1?