Irv Gotti's "Tales" (Official Thread)

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This episode embodied what BET has become under Deborah Lee, a channel geared at targeting a black feminine audience using certain stereotypes to enforce certain ideas, that only make it on air once its white corporate higher ups gives it the green light.

The race flipping was a way Irv & BET could pander to a non black audience and female audience under the guise of tackling a real social problem, but end up romanticizing interracial dating and cultural appropriation.
That what I got out of it the non-black audience but where do you think they pandered to females? Also I don't get why they would use that storry to symbolize fukk the police. Hey could have used a black storry and one covered in realism! Why try to through a film flam at a nikka and have us watching this interracial bullshyt with a nasty black Heffer lying on her cac:scust:
 
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Ashanti can't sing
Ja Rule can't rhyme, he was DMX for ladies, his only appeal
Charli Baltimore wack
Vida garbage
Black and Caddy was accessories
Lloyd was iight but nah

And DMX and Rocafella saved Def Jam. I actually like Irv tho, lol, him and his bro, i like how they didnt fold when the feds came, just never rocked with his artists, always garbage

Your shytty music taste is not an argument, the point that was trying to be conveyed to you was in regard to Irv's legacy at his job. And that's an empirical matter that can be tested against some reasonable standard, and in this case, its not up for debate. Irv was one of the best A&R's in the business. Ja, Ashanti, Lloyd, Vita, and Charli all contributed in producing a mass amount of revenue under Irv's management. Irv also played a key factor in DMX and Jay Z's success. Remember, Irv pushed for X when no one believed him, and Jay got his first big main stream hit when he stole a single from Ja.
 

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The race flipping was a way Irv & BET could pander to a non black audience and female audience under the guise of tackling a real social problem, but end up romanticizing interracial dating and cultural appropriation.
Or, idk, maybe the race flip was a play on the age-old motif of, "don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes". Next time, try looking at a story from an abstract perspective to get the point being made.
 

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Or, idk, maybe the race flip was a play on the age-old motif of, "don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes". Next time, try looking at a story from an abstract perspective to get the point being made.
I wouldn't have put white kids in the ghetto personally. The direction I would have taken is keeping the whites in their environment, and just had the cops doing injustice to them within their own community. Non white law enforcement victimizing whites within their community, but the system doesn't protect them regardless of class or status. I think that direction might have made people really look at the episode differently.

I'm not down on Irv tho, the production, casting, and his directing is actually pretty good for someone not known to be proficient in the field. His ceiling isn't glass with this concept he doing.
 

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That what I got out of it the non-black audience but where do you think they pandered to females? Also I don't get why they would use that storry to symbolize fukk the police. Hey could have used a black storry and one covered in realism! Why try to through a film flam at a nikka and have us watching this interracial bullshyt with a nasty black Hefner lying on her cac:scust:
I agree he should of just kept it grimy and not raced reversed, or at least show white getting that work in the sanctuary of their own community to illustrate that it's not about class as much as it's about race. nikkas get that work in the suburbs too, and even in traffic regardless of their dress code or speech.

As far as the pandering, BET under Deborah is known to aggressively market towards black women, and black women enjoy seeing black women dating white men on tv, because the it makes them feel vindicated. The women watching BET are the same ones watching Scandal & other programming that promote the whole swirl philosophy. It was a move to generate ratings imo.
 

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I wouldn't have put white kids in the ghetto personally.
Whether you agreed with it being done, or if it was good idea, is a completely separate matter. Imo, I didn't care for the episode myself. All i'm saying is that Irv was most likely using the race flip as a storytelling device to get white audiences to see a racialized social issue from a black perspective.
 

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Don't tell me that white guy is the victim of police brutality on an episode about a nikkaz Wit Attitude song?
 

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I agree he should of just kept it grimy and not raced reversed, or at least show white getting that work in the sanctuary of their own community to illustrate that it's not about class as much as it's about race. nikkas get that work in the suburbs too, and even in traffic regardless of their dress code or speech.

As far as the pandering, BET under Deborah is known to aggressively market towards black women, and black women enjoy seeing black women dating white men on tv, because the it makes them feel vindicated. The women watching BET are the same ones watching Scandal & other programming that promote the whole swirl philosophy. It was a move to generate ratings imo.
Facts man, what was he thinking? The race reverse shyt would work? :russ: They way you mentioned it ought have been better and even that I don't like that for fukk the police.

Also oh shyt, you're right :ohhh: I notice they even flipped centric into a more women channel then a black channel and I do notice the swirl agenda heavy too in the media on shows like scandal and them bed wenching YouTube bytches. :scust: I'm really shocked that this is actually a thing but it is. Swirling and the promotion of it in 2017:camby:this shyt got to go!
 

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This episode embodied what BET has become under Deborah Lee, a channel geared at targeting a black feminine audience using certain stereotypes to enforce certain ideas, that only make it on air once its white corporate higher ups gives it the green light.

The race flipping was a way Irv & BET could pander to a non black audience and female audience under the guise of tackling a real social problem, but end up romanticizing interracial dating and cultural appropriation.
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The premise of the first episode was original and thought provoking, but the acting was fukking atrocious. If you've ever watched Baller Blockin or any B-movie/straight to DVD 90s hood flick then that is the type of acting you'll be expecting.

The editing is standard BET bullshyt - 3 static camera angles and weird a weird cast with no chemistry. Some of the cast look like they were pulled from a Tyler Perry movie too. But, unlike Tyler Perry's work this show doesn't have any appeal.

I'll give it two more episodes to fully judge but thankfully it's directed by different directors each episode.


The first episode I'd rate it as 4/10 due to the bad acting and editing.
 

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Don't tell me that white guy is the victim of police brutality on an episode about a nikkaz Wit Attitude song?
No, the white kid being the "victim" is the thought provoking perspective the prosecutor gave the jurors to think about the black kid who was the actual victim in the reality of the storyline. The NWA song fits. The reason why they used white actors because you guessed it... BET's higher ups are owned by white people and they are trying to obviously gain a wider audience.

I couldn't recommend you to watch the show. It may pick up with the other directors but with Irv Gotti at the helm overseeing every episode I think that they'll all be consistently bad but I hope I'm wrong.
 
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